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Shooting Sports guide. Page 100. https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/Outdoor Program/pdf/30931_WB.pdf ... Must be bio-degradable and ping pong sized. Ok with catapult and sling-shot. Never aimed at a person. .... It can be argued that the rule applies to only shooting events. The specific rules are under catapults and sling shots. ... So, throwing a water balloon by hand is not subject to shooting sports rules. Then, look at Guide To Safe Scouting ... https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/34416.pdf ... "Prohibited Activities ... 15. Activities where participants shoo

It's really about breaking the ice; getting the new guy up in-front with a positive experience so that they want to be up there again. And, when it's friends with friends, there is something different there. In cubs, it was mostly scout with proud parents. Now, it's the scout's peers recognizing him and the adults off to the side / back. We all nit-pick when things don't work out. The smallest issues get under our skin. I would have loved to have been part of a troop that could meet at a camp regularly. But then again, I'd imagine that gift can twist the mentality of the t

My son said the same. Sleeping and living in the field was always more of a challenge for the other Marines. ... The part my son added was that the drill instructors reminded him of the camp ranger, his boss for three summers.

My question is the reverse. Even if the CO does not contribute, how does a claimant maintain standing to sue when the claimant settles for the same incidents with the underwriting parties that insure the CO. The existing settlement seems like an agreed value of the damages and a closure of the claim. It would be one thing if it was two completely independent entities being sued for the same incidents. But with the underwriting relationship, I'm not sure how that happens.

Nothing was in the trailer to fix the trailer. We had a few basic tools for basic stuff. And duct tape. And WD40. You can't pack everything in the trailer. If you equip to handle every contingency, your trailer becomes too heavy for most vehicles, including many trucks.

COR vs CC vs SM vs committee? That's really about who appoints who? BSA's troop structure is different from a business structure where each level up owns / approves the lower level work. BSA's structure appoints people to roles. Then, once they are appointed, they own that job. The only caveat is that the ASMs work under the direction of the SM and the committee members work under the direction of the committee chair. @qwazse had it right with the above link to the troop documentation. Look at Troop Committee Guide. Here is a PDF link to a fairly recent version. L

My son often related his scouting experience to his military assignments. ... During field exercises were not that bad to him while others found it hard / scary / creepy to be out in the weather all the time; sleep under the stars and/or in the rain and weather. ... Funniest was talking about Marine boot camp. ... The camp ranger that was his high school boss was very much like a drill instructor sergeant. He had less stress in boot camp than others.

Thank you for the summaries and insights. Much appreciated.

Can be. Camp should not assume unless explicitly stated. Kudos to adult volunteers who step up to supplement camp staff. That's their choice and kudos to them.

Looking at the wall behind my desk. Years ago, I had two extra sashes. So, they hang on my home office wall and show my bling. Eagle dad pins. Eagle mentor pins. Favorite camp patches. Pins from other organizations I received. Pin for my Woodbadge animal. Pin for religious scout org. Better than hidden in a drawer. Reminds me it is scout stuff.

No one gets in cheaper at the big high adventure camps. The Summit is one of the special camps. Personally, I think it's a good idea. Too many camps are filled with too many adults. Also, if a troop wants to recognize the extra work of it's leaders, there is no reason it can't charge each scout $50 more and discount the leader cost. The Summit would be on my bucket list. Consider it. Scouts will have great experiences.

Well ... since I like giving my opinion. minimalist I want a functional uniform. Easy to wash. Pins. Hanging patches. No disassemble / reassemble at each wash. Appropriate for hiking, biking, canoeing or outside in the weather Survives muddy, sweat and hard use. Quick to build-up after purchase. I want two or three matching shirts without spending hours sewing each and trips back to the scout shop for extra patches that I'm missing. I want a uniform I can use all the time and everywhere; not something that has so mu

The discussion was started because It was asserted the fundamental problem is that the professionals manage the volunteers ... and that professionals want to continue to direct volunteers ... and professionals hand-pick volunteers ... and put yes-men on committees. It is the vast majority of cases, it's just not true. What I've seen are higher tiers (professional or volunteer) excited when someone skilled and competent steps up to help. I've known lots of BSA professionals. DEs make squat for money. The middle level does not do much better. The SEs and top-level national do o

Just to confirm ... NEC / NEB are volunteers. Beyond receiving lunches and incidentals, these are volunteers. People assume "executive" means paid. BSA is very much a volunteer organization. Councils are political. I've been on council committee for 5+ years (longer unofficially) and district for 14+ years. ... Amazing how time goes fast, but I'm still far junior compared to the 30+ year council volunteers. ... I've seen the politics, but it's mainly the politics of people who can't work with other people. OR, people who overstep and make it personal. ... Similar to how these d

Yeah. Probably time for me to bow out. The conversation is going too tangential and not relevant to the original post. I believe we have a failure to communicate.

LOL. One. Perhaps I'm lucky to be associated with a really good council and really good people. I've seen a fair number of people red-listed by scouting professionals. It's usually because of conflict or personality issues. I try not to ask too much because even from the outside it's usually fairly obvious. On the other hand, volunteer recruitment has always happened by volunteers (committee chairs, membership committees, etc) ... by the volunteers. ... It's pretty consistent with what I said. BSA is a volunteer organization mostly run by volunteers. Yes, professionals can

There is also being a conspiracy theorist believing in sinister forces around every corner and in every shadow. The world is never that clear cut. In reality, it is far closer to the guidebooks than not.

Looking for absolutist yes/no? Out of 270+ councils and millions of people, you will always find examples to support any conclusion. It's a faulty generalization to represent the program that way. Also, the question was "volunteer management". i.e. who oversaw the volunteers that committed the offenses? BSA has ALWAYS been a volunteer led organization at every level. The key points related to volunteer mgmt of the offenders are Key three ... the key concept guidebooks - how the program works hiring / firing volunteers Guidebooks - This define how

Dang. I fear being baited, but I do want to reply. My BSA experience is that BSA does not manage volunteers. It was never, ever, ever structured that way. The CO agreement document explicitly lays out who does what. BSA is about providing training and resources. CO is to "utilize the Scouting program to ... " and "Conduct the Scouting program" ... The CO has the ownership of executing and managing the program. The example repeatedly seen is when units have trouble with leader conflict. There is ZERO the local council or national can do. DEs are mostly powerless to "manage"

... hoping to avoid sides too much ... "Liberal era from 1958-1976" ... The 1960s "liberal" sexuality front-person was Allan Ginsburg, the poet of the beat generation. https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/01/04/08/specials/ginsberg-obit.html Famous and popular his whole life and at his death in 1997. An early vocal advocate for LGBT+ lifestyles. Also, a pedophile and a vocal advocate for pedophilia, including publishing poems about it and joining a national organization. Times have changed.

Changing charters: There is no checklist. With changing charters, it's not a dissolution. It's a letter signed by the charter org leader addressing the ownership of the unit name/number, gear, assets and liabilities. I've moved a cub pack twice and a troop once. It was effectively a signed letter saying. To <council name>, ... <charter organization> releases unit (or units) #### including the unit's gear and bank accounts to be rechartered under another charter organization. Sincerely <Signed Sen

Very well written and well reasoned. I doubt complete death. A BSA only would be ugly. Many councils would be forced into bankruptcy. I'm thinking states like CA and NY that have many cases under re-opened SOLs. Others will survive because they don't have the deep pockets or the SOLs are not open or not enough cases. Many will be dropped because the cash will not be there to be an incentive to law firms. I doubt BSA death because many councils would survive. Some are under SOL closed states. Some don't have the cases. Some don't have the wealth. My view is the si

All are possibilities as as I doubt every LC scout executive is in BSA good graces. Some are more tightly plugged in than others. Generally, I think this is about customer relations. LCs want unit scouters to focus on their units and not get caught up in the ugly larger noise. So, I really doubt LCs think the unit scouters want to know / need to know / should know the ugly details of everything going on.

I've given up predicting. I'm amazed we got this far. I don't even understand how the plan is legal to give so many 3rd party organizations legal protection ... especially as BSA's assets are approx $400m (at the start) and the insurance company, CO, LCs, etc cumulatively are in the billions.

Agreed and well-said. The trouble is looking back ... 1950s ... 1980s ... I really question whether courts and lawyers then would have interpreted as broadly as now being applied retroactively. ... BUT ... that's an old argument that will require pages and pages to re-hash. Time to restructure the relationship between BSA and the volunteers. BSA as a records-only organization seems like a possible good idea. LCs could have an association that forms / authors / votes on standards and policies. One standard is that to be a registered member in a troop, you need to make a record