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  1. 2 points
    As Scouters, I don't think recourse here isn't to deny the kid a Scoutmaster conference. The BSA rules seem pretty clear that we as leaders cannot do that. If a Scout conducts himself outside of Scouting so poorly that his character and fitness to achieve the rank of Eagle is called into question, then I think the troop needs to ask the Scout to leave the troop. If the troop continues to allow a youth to participate in Scouting who the Scoutmaster does not believe is worthy of achieving a rank, that seems unfair to the Scout and his family. We'll allow you to participate, camp with us, hold positions of leadership, pay dues, etc. but not achieve a rank? Honestly - I think you all meet as a troop committee and decide whether the youth continues or not. If you allow him to continue, then I think you continue to guide him as he progresses towards Eagle. If you find him of enough character to continue, but still find his actions distasteful - tell him that. But, don't penalize him. The puts you as leaders in a difficult position where you now have to arbitrate worthiness for the rank. Didn't I read that some Scouts want to return their Eagles because they don't think he should get one? Marijuana is bad, but consuming alcohol is OK? Or, maybe marijuana is OK, but just not at school? Or maybe marijuana at school is OK, but not if he gives or sells it to friends. These seems like dangerous waters and ones that lead to politics and internal hurt. I've got no problem if you say - "a youth who brings drugs to school with intent to distribute" can no longer be trusted around the other youth in the troop That's a very appropriate response. Not everyone will agree - but that's a fair question of policy for a Scoutmaster or troop committee to decide. After all, the Scoutmaster has to sign the youth applications indicating his willingness to accept the Scout into the unit. If the Scoutmaster no longer has confidence in the youth - then ask him to leave.
  2. 1 point
    @Eagle94-A1's and @CodyMiller351's threads and a recent conversation with a really great cub master begs the question: What are good ways to teach new parents, both prospective and those that have already joined, what scouts is about? It's not just let the boys lead but that we're not a paramilitary group (and all the other bad ideas out there). I realize there's the intro to scouting training but clearly that doesn't work. Aims and Methods could be a good start but The Right Way to Fail might also help. What do people do that works really well?
  3. 1 point
    "The work is done by them as shows up to do it." If CodyMiller is doing the job of SM, then he deserves all the respect due that office.
  4. 1 point
    I see the problem. You have parents in your unit who don't accept you as the Scoutmaster, official or otherwise. I can't entirely blame them. You are not a Scoutmaster. Your Chartered Organization should be concerned.
  5. 1 point
    I'm going to emphasize one word in @HashTagScouts post: Drug Abusers are not Scouts. Drug Pushers are not Scouts. Drug Dealers are not Scouts. It's gonna take time for this boy to prove that he is a scout. Until then, nothing is owed him except someone's boot.
  6. 1 point
    Malum prohibutum vs malum in se: "wrong [as or because] prohibited") an unlawful act only by virtue of statute, as opposed to conduct that is evil in and of itself. Depending on the state, or country, you live in, and ignoring some philosophical questions of federalism, this scout's possession of MJ is illegal simply because he is not yet 21. When I was a senior in high school I could legally purchase and consume alcohol approximately three hundred yards from my back door but not thirty feet down the street from my front door simply because I had stepped over a state line. Today, if my 21 year old son hands his 17 year old brother a beer they have both broken a law. If instead he hands that beer to me and I hand it to my 17 year old then no one has broken any laws. I point this out not because I think breaking the law, even a law that may be only statutory in nature, is OK, but because the nature of the transgression , unlawful vs. evil, should affect our response to and view of the transgressor.
  7. 1 point
    Then it's okay. I found a reference to a venturing fencing competition dated 2008. I also found a Master at Arms MB that used fencing for one of the requirements. That MB was one of the original 14. However, it was cancelled a year later.
  8. 1 point
    Hmm, so who dictates which laws are ok to break. Parents, SM, CC? Do the authority’s really care? Barry
  9. 1 point
    WORCESTER ,MA – Boy Scout Troop 54, founded in 1915, has the distinction of being one of the oldest continuous troops in the United States. But, it may also hold claim to another remarkable accomplishment. This weekend the troop based out of Epworth United Methodist Church at 64 Salisbury St. is embarking on a campout marking the 120th consecutive month of at least one overnight campout. While camping is somewhat synonymous with scouting, ten consecutive years of monthly campouts is a rare feat. Scoutmaster Joshua Froimson said there are no statistics kept on scouting camping trips. The most that Boy Scouts of America asks is if a troop goes camping at least 10 times a year. For that, a troop receives a Journey to Excellence Gold award. But, he has scoured the internet and has not found any troop in the country that has camped out as often and as long as Troop 54. ... Mr. Froimson said probably one of the key things scouts learn from camping is to plan and lead. “Especially going on a backpacking trip, there’s no opportunity to go to a store and pick up things you forgot. You have to learn to think through everything you will be doing and picture all the things you need to do them,” he explained. “That’s something you need to do in life as well.” More at source link. If there is a Mrs. Froimson, her opinion was not reported. https://www.telegram.com/news/20181129/boy-scout-troop-54-heading-to-connecticut-this-weekend-may-hold-campout-record
  10. 1 point
    You lost me here. The other stuff (well except for the phone) is, I guess possibly open for discussion on the best way to deal with the boys. anyway until he is removed his opinion could be considered. But I am a grown up. No one is going to tell me where to tent, let alone that I must tent with another adult. Certainly ig f that isn't the previously established policy/procedure (which I could then opt out of an event if I do not wish to comply). I would have told him to stuff it right then and there, or enjoy his big tent all by his lonesome. Actually you lost me at the "he gave me crap..." We are all volunteers here, trying to do our best. I am not taking any crap off another volunteer. good natured ribbing sure or useful. constructive criticism sure--I am not perfect and can learn plenty from more experienced folks. But genuine crap umm nope. Again, I am a grown up and unless we are in some official capacity where I sort of have to take it (and since retiring from the military I can't imagine that scenario anymore) I am not going to suffer fools who think they are in charge very well. I would have had zero problems asking him to kill the phone or go to his car if he has to watch. Our troop has a zero electronic policy at scout events (other than calling home if needed). The grown ups try real hard to set the example on that. The language would be a no brainer to me. Again no problem going to the mattresses straight away on that. But if not losing him (and his boy) outweighs the other stuff then I think you are hosed. You have surrendered the leverage and are stuck IMO.
  11. 1 point
    You say that as if you don't think it is even remotely possible that any of us scouts and scouters might actually live by our principles. How sad.
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