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David CO

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  1. David CO

    Suggest Councils that should be Combined

    Maybe this should not be used as an example, during the bankruptcy proceedings, to demonstrate how councils are separate and independent entities.
  2. David CO

    Suggest Councils that should be Combined

    This sounds like a government solution. When in doubt, form a new committee. I don't think we need a new committee, or any other new entity. Just ask the Chartered Organization Representatives. This could be done by mandating a one-time vote of confidence/no confidence in every council. Only the COR's vote. If they vote no confidence, everybody at council is fired. Then let the COR's form a new council. If they want to merge with another council... fine. If they want to divide up into smaller councils... fine. Let them decide. No interference from national. Once the new councils are settled, have them choose delegates to a sort of constitutional convention. This time, we have a vote of confidence/no confidence for national. If they vote no confidence, everyone at national is fired. Have the delegates form a new BSA. Could BSA leaders survive a vote of no confidence? I doubt it.
  3. David CO

    Suggest Councils that should be Combined

    Yes. It distracts us from nationals talking points, and brings us directly to the main issues of the discussion. We certainly can't have that.
  4. They aren't. My unit has high hopes for the scouting movement. These aspirations just don't include the council. Many people make the assumption that the scouting movement and BSA are inseparable. Not true.
  5. If he were around today, the Artful Dodger would probably become a lawyer. There is more than one way to pick a pocket.
  6. I don't know why. Many of us have been saying for years that the BSA insurance coverage was probably insufficient to adequately protect us. We recommended buying your own insurance policy. I certainly did. My Chartered Organization did as well. Insurance companies still sell insurance. I would suggest that scout leaders contact a good insurance broker. He/she will be able to help determine the amount and type of insurance needed. Much better than asking for expert advice over the internet.
  7. It's a nice thought. It would be great if camp alumni bought up these camps (and created endowments) as BSA and councils sell them off to pay debts. I just haven't seen this happening. The camps are mostly being bought up by developers.
  8. Since many of the reported cases of sexual abuse occurred at camps, I don't think the camps and the endowment funds would remain protected. The lawyers would definitely go after the endowment fund.
  9. This is yet another example of top down thinking. The council thinks that volunteers exist to fulfill their priorities. The volunteers, not surprisingly, think and act differently. We tend to think that councils exist to fulfill our priorities. I agree that this is the only reason that district executives exist. They exist because the volunteers won't fulfill the councils' priorities. Hiring district executives allows the council to create their own priorities rather than focus on things that actually benefit the units.
  10. My school gets a lot of professional services donated to us. The largest business in town has a bunch of IT people, and they give their employees some comp-time for donating their services to our school. This saves us a ton of money, and gets us some highly skilled people (who we could never afford to hire full time).
  11. Shutting down is the only helpful thing my council ever does.
  12. I always liked the sound of Round Table. It evokes the feeling of a meeting of equals. Nothing top down.
  13. David CO

    Chapter 11 announced

    Fair enough. If it is shown that Chartered Organizations knew of the abuse and covered it up, my guess is that they will be included in the lawsuits. I not only think that this is a possibility, it is a likelihood. Yes, I do think Chartered Organizations should be actively involved in their units. They should carefully select the leaders and properly supervise them. The Chartered Organization owns the unit.
  14. David CO

    Chapter 11 announced

    I think we agree on this. There should be a better way. The victims of the past should have been given justice many years ago. They weren't. The executive board and the employees were (and still are) more concerned with keeping their secrets and hiding their complicity than with giving justice to the victims.
  15. David CO

    Chapter 11 announced

    Sure. Have some hats printed.
  16. David CO

    Chapter 11 announced

    But they are not affiliated with WOSM. I think WOSM recognition would make a big difference.
  17. David CO

    Chapter 11 announced

    Has the WOSM made any public statement about the BSA bankruptcy? Could the WOSM pull BSA's charter and start a new Boy Scout organization?
  18. David CO

    Chapter 11 announced

    First of all, Congress doesn't own scouting. It has no ownership rights to assert. If BSA did somehow become nationalized, it wouldn't be the congress who would run it. It would be the executive branch. President Trump would probably get the authority to appoint the new executive board. So be careful what you wish for. Unless you want to go back to a more conservative Boy Scouts, and Make Boy Scouts Great Again, you might want to reconsider this position. Personally, I would love to have a retro version of Boy Scouts. Roll back all of the new liberal social changes. But I think it would be best to do it from within. All we need is a fair vote, and I think it could happen.
  19. David CO

    Chapter 11 announced

    I mentioned, a few years ago, that I have a friend who owns a franchise restaurant. The franchise went bankrupt, but the existing stores are allowed to continue using the name and logo. It was the best thing that could have happened to him. He still has the restaurant, but he doesn't have to pay the franchise fees anymore. Business has never been better. Imagine if BSA and its councils all disappeared, and the existing Chartered Organizations are allowed to continue with their Boy Scout units without the interference and fees from BSA. It would be the best outcome that could possibly happen for my unit.
  20. David CO

    Chapter 11 announced

    That's because we can't. If we had the power to do that, it would have been done years ago, and BSA would not be in the mess it is in today. The executive board and the employees are going to try to hang on right to the end. They won't give up their control of BSA until the lights go out.
  21. David CO

    Chapter 11 announced

    Unfortunately, it is the only way to force change. Many of the people who are suing BSA aren't doing it just for the money. They are angry with the lack of transparency and positive change in BSA. They don't see much improvement. Frankly, neither do I. I question the wisdom in our society of using the court system to solve our ills. I would much rather they be solved by more democratic means. This hasn't happened, so the courts have become the primary instrument of change.
  22. David CO

    Chapter 11 announced

    Maybe so, but I would settle for their removal from any further office of responsibility in scouting. True insanity would be to allow them to continue in office.
  23. David CO

    Chapter 11 announced

    You have to charter with the council in your geographic area. Bitter? Yep, that's exactly where I'm at. We haven't participated at council for over 5 years. Yet they are still going to charge us a tax for all the services we don't use and don't want. It's maddening.
  24. David CO

    Chapter 11 announced

    My understanding is that a bankruptcy court can go back and nullify any financial actions, including a mortgage, that was done to protect assets.
  25. David CO

    Chapter 11 announced

    I suppose that is one of the issues the bankruptcy court will determine. Good luck with that argument. From a unit prospective, I can't see much of a separation between council and national. I think the bankruptcy court will see that too.
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