72 hour rule

[Pale Horse]

  On 9/6/2018 at 2:15 PM, walk in the woods said:

But to the OPs point, it's being interpreted differently than the clear language by the people that wrote the clear language to begin with, National.  

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My guess is that Cyndi @ Member Care Contact Center  (if that's even her real name) isn't quite at the level of the execs (lawyers?) at National writing the policy. Probably a midling call-center attendee who has to answer 1000s of calls/emails ever day about hundreds of different items.  Sure it'd be nice if they were all on the same page, but I bet if you resubmit the question 10 times, I'm not sure you'd get a consensus either way.

[scotteg83]

  On 9/6/2018 at 2:41 PM, Pale Horse said:

My guess is that Cyndi @ Member Care Contact Center  (if that's even her real name) isn't quite at the level of the execs (lawyers?) at National writing the policy. Probably a midling call-center attendee who has to answer 1000s of calls/emails ever day about hundreds of different items.  Sure it'd be nice if they were all on the same page, but I bet if you resubmit the question 10 times, I'm not sure you'd get a consensus either way.

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Sounds like that needs to be done,

 

who else wants to email and post results?

[perdidochas]

I don't see the big deal. IMHO, all parents who go on campouts (even under 72 hrs) should take YPT for their own protection, and more importantly, so they know what's going on.  It doesn't take that long. 

[Pale Horse]

  On 9/6/2018 at 3:00 PM, perdidochas said:

I don't see the big deal. IMHO, all parents who go on campouts (even under 72 hrs) should take YPT for their own protection, and more importantly, so they know what's going on.  It doesn't take that long. 

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True, but what about the next step in getting them all registered?  Who's paying.

[walk in the woods]

  On 9/6/2018 at 2:41 PM, Pale Horse said:

My guess is that Cyndi @ Member Care Contact Center  (if that's even her real name) isn't quite at the level of the execs (lawyers?) at National writing the policy. Probably a midling call-center attendee who has to answer 1000s of calls/emails ever day about hundreds of different items.  Sure it'd be nice if they were all on the same page, but I bet if you resubmit the question 10 times, I'm not sure you'd get a consensus either way.

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To me that's a problem.  The Member Care Contact Center is supposed to be the source for information.  Getting your call center scripts up-to-date is part and parcel of rolling out new programs, products, and initiatives.

[fred johnson]

  On 9/6/2018 at 2:15 PM, walk in the woods said:

But to the OPs point, it's being interpreted differently than the clear language by the people that wrote the clear language to begin with, National.  

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Original poster had trouble with council interpretation.  Councils and national are very different organizations.  Completely different.  Different agendas too.  

[scotteg83]

  On 9/6/2018 at 3:00 PM, perdidochas said:

I don't see the big deal. IMHO, all parents who go on campouts (even under 72 hrs) should take YPT for their own protection, and more importantly, so they know what's going on.  It doesn't take that long. 

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YPT yes, but pay the $33 registration fee to National (plus whatever your local council adds for insurance) doesn't seem feasible. 

[LVAllen]

  On 9/6/2018 at 5:18 PM, scotteg83 said:

YPT yes, but pay the $33 registration fee to National (plus whatever your local council adds for insurance) doesn't seem feasible. 

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Really?

My state requires every volunteer who might have regular or unsupervised contact with students or in-class time to undergo a background check. "Regular" means more than 4 times in a month. The volunteer gets to pay $60 for the privilege. $33 if you are in the vicinity for more than 72 hours seems more feasible than that.

[scotteg83]

  On 9/7/2018 at 1:42 AM, LVAllen said:

Really?

My state requires every volunteer who might have regular or unsupervised contact with students or in-class time to undergo a background check. "Regular" means more than 4 times in a month. The volunteer gets to pay $60 for the privilege. $33 if you are in the vicinity for more than 72 hours seems more feasible than that.

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Yes, but do you tell parents that sign up for sports the same thing? Most parents plan to show up with their kid, and do as little as possible. They aren’t the “volunteer”, more like wishful innocent bystander.  But to say, registration double, or tripled (one parent or two) to have your child participate, is going to scare off parents. 

[ParkMan]

GSUSA requires all adults who camp to be registered too.

I do see an inherent conflict in the fact that parents are required to camp at the Cub Scout level.  But, at the Scouts BSA level, if it really is that anyone who camps for more than 72 hours all year has to register - that's really not so crazy.

Beyond that though - it seems a little ridiculous that this forum needs to try to interpret the response from someone on the BSA helpdesk.  As forums go, this is certainly the most active one I know of.  There has to be someone that we can contact on behalf of the forum.  I'm sure it's in the best interest of the BSA for this group to get it right.  Anyone know who we should reach out to?

[NealOnWheels]

  On 9/7/2018 at 3:07 AM, ParkMan said:

GSUSA requires all adults who camp to be registered too.

I do see an inherent conflict in the fact that parents are required to camp at the Cub Scout level.  But, at the Scouts BSA level, if it really is that anyone who camps for more than 72 hours all year has to register - that's really not so crazy.

Beyond that though - it seems a little ridiculous that this forum needs to try to interpret the response from someone on the BSA helpdesk.  As forums go, this is certainly the most active one I know of.  There has to be someone that we can contact on behalf of the forum.  I'm sure it's in the best interest of the BSA for this group to get it right.  Anyone know who we should reach out to?

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RichardB who frequents this forum deals with health and safety at national.  He would be a good person to answer.

[perdidochas]

  On 9/6/2018 at 5:18 PM, scotteg83 said:

YPT yes, but pay the $33 registration fee to National (plus whatever your local council adds for insurance) doesn't seem feasible. 

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Just talking about YPT. 

Edited September 7, 2018 by perdidochas

[scotteg83]

  On 9/7/2018 at 3:58 PM, perdidochas said:

Just talking about YPT. 

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Yes, but this thread is on the topic that National is making those people register.

[Saltface]

  On 9/6/2018 at 2:53 PM, scotteg83 said:

Sounds like that needs to be done,

 

who else wants to email and post results?

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I sent an email on the 6th. How long did you wait for your response?

[scotteg83]

  On 9/11/2018 at 3:15 PM, Saltface said:

I sent an email on the 6th. How long did you wait for your response?

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little over a week