Pale Horse Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 On 9/6/2018 at 2:15 PM, walk in the woods said: But to the OPs point, it's being interpreted differently than the clear language by the people that wrote the clear language to begin with, National. Expand My guess is that Cyndi @ Member Care Contact Center (if that's even her real name) isn't quite at the level of the execs (lawyers?) at National writing the policy. Probably a midling call-center attendee who has to answer 1000s of calls/emails ever day about hundreds of different items. Sure it'd be nice if they were all on the same page, but I bet if you resubmit the question 10 times, I'm not sure you'd get a consensus either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotteg83 Posted September 6, 2018 Author Share Posted September 6, 2018 On 9/6/2018 at 2:41 PM, Pale Horse said: My guess is that Cyndi @ Member Care Contact Center (if that's even her real name) isn't quite at the level of the execs (lawyers?) at National writing the policy. Probably a midling call-center attendee who has to answer 1000s of calls/emails ever day about hundreds of different items. Sure it'd be nice if they were all on the same page, but I bet if you resubmit the question 10 times, I'm not sure you'd get a consensus either way. Expand Sounds like that needs to be done, who else wants to email and post results? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdidochas Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 I don't see the big deal. IMHO, all parents who go on campouts (even under 72 hrs) should take YPT for their own protection, and more importantly, so they know what's going on. It doesn't take that long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pale Horse Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 On 9/6/2018 at 3:00 PM, perdidochas said: I don't see the big deal. IMHO, all parents who go on campouts (even under 72 hrs) should take YPT for their own protection, and more importantly, so they know what's going on. It doesn't take that long. Expand True, but what about the next step in getting them all registered? Who's paying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walk in the woods Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 On 9/6/2018 at 2:41 PM, Pale Horse said: My guess is that Cyndi @ Member Care Contact Center (if that's even her real name) isn't quite at the level of the execs (lawyers?) at National writing the policy. Probably a midling call-center attendee who has to answer 1000s of calls/emails ever day about hundreds of different items. Sure it'd be nice if they were all on the same page, but I bet if you resubmit the question 10 times, I'm not sure you'd get a consensus either way. Expand To me that's a problem. The Member Care Contact Center is supposed to be the source for information. Getting your call center scripts up-to-date is part and parcel of rolling out new programs, products, and initiatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred johnson Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 On 9/6/2018 at 2:15 PM, walk in the woods said: But to the OPs point, it's being interpreted differently than the clear language by the people that wrote the clear language to begin with, National. Expand Original poster had trouble with council interpretation. Councils and national are very different organizations. Completely different. Different agendas too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotteg83 Posted September 6, 2018 Author Share Posted September 6, 2018 On 9/6/2018 at 3:00 PM, perdidochas said: I don't see the big deal. IMHO, all parents who go on campouts (even under 72 hrs) should take YPT for their own protection, and more importantly, so they know what's going on. It doesn't take that long. Expand YPT yes, but pay the $33 registration fee to National (plus whatever your local council adds for insurance) doesn't seem feasible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVAllen Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 On 9/6/2018 at 5:18 PM, scotteg83 said: YPT yes, but pay the $33 registration fee to National (plus whatever your local council adds for insurance) doesn't seem feasible. Expand Really? My state requires every volunteer who might have regular or unsupervised contact with students or in-class time to undergo a background check. "Regular" means more than 4 times in a month. The volunteer gets to pay $60 for the privilege. $33 if you are in the vicinity for more than 72 hours seems more feasible than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotteg83 Posted September 7, 2018 Author Share Posted September 7, 2018 On 9/7/2018 at 1:42 AM, LVAllen said: Really? My state requires every volunteer who might have regular or unsupervised contact with students or in-class time to undergo a background check. "Regular" means more than 4 times in a month. The volunteer gets to pay $60 for the privilege. $33 if you are in the vicinity for more than 72 hours seems more feasible than that. Expand Yes, but do you tell parents that sign up for sports the same thing? Most parents plan to show up with their kid, and do as little as possible. They aren’t the “volunteer”, more like wishful innocent bystander. But to say, registration double, or tripled (one parent or two) to have your child participate, is going to scare off parents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParkMan Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 GSUSA requires all adults who camp to be registered too. I do see an inherent conflict in the fact that parents are required to camp at the Cub Scout level. But, at the Scouts BSA level, if it really is that anyone who camps for more than 72 hours all year has to register - that's really not so crazy. Beyond that though - it seems a little ridiculous that this forum needs to try to interpret the response from someone on the BSA helpdesk. As forums go, this is certainly the most active one I know of. There has to be someone that we can contact on behalf of the forum. I'm sure it's in the best interest of the BSA for this group to get it right. Anyone know who we should reach out to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NealOnWheels Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 On 9/7/2018 at 3:07 AM, ParkMan said: GSUSA requires all adults who camp to be registered too. I do see an inherent conflict in the fact that parents are required to camp at the Cub Scout level. But, at the Scouts BSA level, if it really is that anyone who camps for more than 72 hours all year has to register - that's really not so crazy. Beyond that though - it seems a little ridiculous that this forum needs to try to interpret the response from someone on the BSA helpdesk. As forums go, this is certainly the most active one I know of. There has to be someone that we can contact on behalf of the forum. I'm sure it's in the best interest of the BSA for this group to get it right. Anyone know who we should reach out to? Expand RichardB who frequents this forum deals with health and safety at national. He would be a good person to answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdidochas Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 (edited) On 9/6/2018 at 5:18 PM, scotteg83 said: YPT yes, but pay the $33 registration fee to National (plus whatever your local council adds for insurance) doesn't seem feasible. Expand Just talking about YPT. Edited September 7, 2018 by perdidochas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotteg83 Posted September 7, 2018 Author Share Posted September 7, 2018 On 9/7/2018 at 3:58 PM, perdidochas said: Just talking about YPT. Expand Yes, but this thread is on the topic that National is making those people register. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltface Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 On 9/6/2018 at 2:53 PM, scotteg83 said: Sounds like that needs to be done, who else wants to email and post results? Expand I sent an email on the 6th. How long did you wait for your response? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotteg83 Posted September 11, 2018 Author Share Posted September 11, 2018 On 9/11/2018 at 3:15 PM, Saltface said: I sent an email on the 6th. How long did you wait for your response? Expand little over a week 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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