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  1. Pale Horse

    Merry Christmas! (I&P Version)

    I agree...that none of the above are Christmas movies. https://www.theodysseyonline.com/wonderful-life-isnt-actually-christmas-film
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    Merry Christmas! (I&P Version)

    I&P is definitely the right place for this thread, because Die Hard is NOT a Christmas movie. In order to be a Christmas movie, it needs to be about Christmas, or Christmas needs to be integral to the story. Just because a movie takes place near the holidays, doesn't cut it. In Die Hard, for example, the only thing "Christmasy" was that they were there for a Christmas party. Change it so that they were there celebrating "Nancy in Accounting's" retirement and the story is the same.
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    And so it begins

    I specifically wanted to focus on this line. How do you reconcile evolving church positions (even within the same denomination) on such topics as homosexuality, birth control, etc.? If it was wrong 50 years ago, how can they say it's ok now?
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    And so it begins

    Thanks for attempting, i'm not looking for the theoretic rationale on how we think each other thinks though. I'm more interested in an example of what an atheist believes is an example of right and wrong that varies from what a Theist believes. But as @Eagledadmentioned in an earlier post, something "big picture", something meaningful, not that eating meat on Friday is wrong, or working on a particular day of the week is taboo.
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    And so it begins

    Since you can't answer the 2 questions posed, I'll consider this discussion over. Due to lack of response, I submit that there is no difference in the views of Atheist and Theists in what is right and wrong. Further, the establishment of a benchmark to determine an "acceptable" level of Duty to God without a comparable Duty to Country benchmark is hypocritical to say the least.
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    And so it begins

    God doesn't change, just man's flawed interpretation of him? How is that any different? You accuse me of generalizing? How do I generalize? You're the one that's generalizing by saying atheist are somehow unable to determine right and wrong. So again, I ask...What do you think is different about what an Atheist believes is "right and wrong" and what a Theist believes to be "right and wrong"?  There is no consistent standard of god...standards vary by religion; even within the same religion there are wildly varying standards. Also, again...why set a religious benchmark, but not one for duty to country?
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    And so it begins

    OK then, let's play this game... What do you think is different about what an Atheist believes is "right and wrong" and what a Theist believes to be "right and wrong"? "Big Picture" as you say, I'm pretty sure Atheists and Theists can both agree on right and wrong. Just as much as a Protestant and a Catholic could, I guess. Should we even bring up the Westboro Baptist Church? Just so sad that you'd gladly accept a member of that "church" to join, but are opposed to my family joining. So if the Oath and Law are sufficient, why do we need religion? How I fulfill my "Duty to God" is not your concern. Is there a similar benchmark for Duty to Country? Is simply not breaking the law sufficient? Maybe only children of military veterans. Or how about a point system where you get X amount of points for reciting the pledge of allegiance, marching in a parade, etc.
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    And so it begins

    Just like religions have a different definition of "the right thing to do." I could be wrong, but I'm not aware of any Scouts convening directly with their creator to know which version of the truth is right. What's more scary to me is that you feel Scouts, or people in general, don't have the ability to determine right and wrong without relying on a book.
  9. Option B, and it shouldn't be a "last resort"; it should be first step of next infraction. I understand not wanting to punish their kids, but in your efforts to keep these 2 Scouts from the problem families, the troop has lost more Scouts & Scouters. Allowing them to remain is going to kill your Troop...or any semblance of a youth-led patrol method Troop. Lay out the new rules for the parents, explain the rationale, and the consequences. Tell the problem parents that they have used up all their strikes; next offense and they will be shown the door.
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    And so it begins

    Even among Christians, all professed to believe in the same God, there is extreme subjectivity in what is constitutes appropriate thoughts, attitudes, and behaviour.
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    And so it begins

    In your opinion, is the Scouting experience diminished for those who choose the "no faith" version?
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    And so it begins

    So in your opinion, Scouts Canada, and Scouts UK isn't "real" Scouting? Getting so tired of hearing that atheists don't have a moral compass or that religious people have some moral superiority. It's possible to teach morals, values and duty to fellow man without believing in god. I'd much rather teach my son to help others because it's the right thing to do instead of being good out of fear that an invisible sky man is going to smite him.
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    Per WSJ -BSA may declare bankruptcy

    No, I would think not. I'm not familiar with how much discretion individual councils have in that regard either.
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    Per WSJ -BSA may declare bankruptcy

    The insane turnover rate is fueled, I'm sure, by the long hours and low pay. If they started investing in and rewarding quality DEs, the problem would solve itself.
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    Lone Scout Questions

    You do realize you don't need to be a Lone Scout to work on requirements outside of Den Meetings? Do the requirements, have your son talk to his Den Leader about them and get them signed off.
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    Juvenile Offenses and Ethics

    Perfectly acceptable. To me, the disrespect to the ASM and pattern of behaviour is far worse, imo, than getting caught up for simple possession (I missed the fact he was selling).
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    Juvenile Offenses and Ethics

    What's your biggest hangup? Because it was MJ? Would you have the same stance as if he got caught smoking tobacco or dipping? What about underage drinking? Is this just about being caught or because the cops were involved? Would a charge of reckless driving merit the same reaction? As @fred8033 mentioned above, marijuana is quickly gaining "acceptance". Yes, it's still illegal, especially for minor's, but let's not crucify the kid based on reefer madness.
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    Lone Scout Questions

    If there's only 1 Lone Scout in your entire Council, it's probably reasonable to to assume that Packs are available for you to join. From https://www.scouting.org/commissioners/lone-scout/: "He applies for membership as an individual Lone Scout only if he cannot conveniently join a Cub Scout pack or Boy Scout troop". Lone Scouts isn't really designed as a "we just want to do it by ourselves" option. Not saying you are, but if you gave that impression in your discussion/emails with the Council, they know off the bat that it's not going to work.
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    Is BSA adult leader training necessary?

    I hate when anybody feels they don't need training and "already know everything." More training never hurt anyone. I see it all over the place.."I was an Eagle, so know how the program runs", "I was in the military, so know how to camp"... Leader training is meant to level-set and get people on the same page. You may know "you" did things or how "your Troop" did things, but maybe that's not really the best or ideal way. Even if it is, consider this an opportunity to share that knowledge and meet other leaders who may not have as much knowledge in a particular subject. Learning is a life-long obligation.
  20. Same reason folks refer to new Scouters (in their estimation anyone less than 20+ years of experience) as a group who's ruining the patrol method. The same reason they refer to women scouters as a group who want to turn Scouting into Family Camp. I guess it's a combination of ease of convenience and small-mindedness.
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    New girls in Scouting

    Novel concept. If I'm understanding this correctly, each Scout is an individual and should be treated as such? I like it!
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    New girls in Scouting

    I didn't attend, but I've seen many videos of this year's event with Arrowmen in regalia. https://www.faceclips.net/video/y-2lWd5mUY8/top-10-grass.html From my understanding, OA will continue to use regalia, just not for audiences external to OA.
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    Qualities of an Eagle

    By firing/hiring an SM that agrees with their approach to advancement.
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    Qualities of an Eagle

    The answer varies across the scale. You have some units where the CO's word is law, and you have others where the CO is either virtually non-existent or gives SM complete reign in delivering program as he/she sees fit. Our case is the latter. Our CO is a CO in paperwork only.
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    Qualities of an Eagle

    Your views on spousal selection criteria are at best outdated and at worst extremely sexist.
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