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  1. Pale Horse

    Policy on going through scout totes

    Many things have changed since those days, and this is one of them. It's not embarrassment I'm worried about; I'm not embarrassed to see underwear and many Scouts probably aren't either. It's the appearance of impropriety that concerns me though and I have no desire to be accused of anything untoward by the .0001% that would take umbrage against it.
  2. Pale Horse

    Policy on going through scout totes

    Nah, chances are they're still clean. Everyone knows Scouts don't change underwear at camp.
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    Policy on going through scout totes

    Nobody has a problem with a SM taking actions directly related to addressing safety. The original posting has zero to do with safety and all to with an over-bearing SM trying to enforce HIS policies, not the Troop's Youth Leaders' policies. That is a problem. Even if it was a health & safety issue, I firmly believe he should still have a second person there as a witness. There's no way in hell I'm rooting around anywhere a scout keeps his underwear without a second set of eyes present.
  4. Guess we saw this coming from a mile away.
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    Tiger Summer Pin

    If you do it that way, what do the Webelos earn in between their 4th & 5th grade year? Since they've added Lions, they should probably just add a Lion summertime pin.
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    Lightweight Rain Jackets

    Personally, my experience is with the less expensive suits. Generally when I hear people mention Frogg Toggs, that's the version they're referring to. Again, not bashing by any means. It's usually my "just in case it may rain on this hiking trip" gear. I think they do a great job at what they're designed to do, but for me at least, I know I'm going to have to replace them after the weekend if I need to break them out. https://www.amazon.com/Frogg-Toggs-Ultra-Lite2-Waterproof-Breathable/dp/B007X5XDU4/ref=asc_df_B007X5XDU4/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=309798558622&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7226290251153901402&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9016894&hvtargid=aud-643191255296:pla-448468426702&psc=1
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    Lightweight Rain Jackets

    Don't get me wrong, I love Frogg Toggs, for what they are; a semi-disposable rain suit. If you're careful, they can certainly last multiple uses, but I consider it a bonus if they do, and don't count on it. I know for a certainty that I'm going to blow out the crotch of the pants first use, and keep a roll of duct tape handy. For the cost of 3 sets of Frogg Toggs, he could get a decent jacket from REI. Over the course of a summer of teaching Scout skills at summer camp, I would put money on trashing 3+ sets of Frogg Toggs. https://www.rei.com/product/147952/rei-co-op-groundbreaker-rain-jacket-mens?CAWELAID=120217890006410178&CAGPSPN=pla&CAAGID=30320805880&CATCI=aud-363396065244:pla-421048767589&cm_mmc=PLA_Google|404_1050517642|1479520008|none|5c4bf608-415d-43d0-ba21-0fad69121028|aud-363396065244:pla-421048767589&lsft=cm_mmc:PLA_Google_LIA|404_1050517642|1479520008|none|5c4bf608-415d-43d0-ba21-0fad69121028&kclid=5c4bf608-415d-43d0-ba21-0fad69121028&gclid=CjwKCAjw3azoBRAXEiwA-_64OpAZb43Z1oaRtD7RwdlwBDVBhjRWjQboGZn1bXVeiKtwxtf8AoDl_xoCJtMQAvD_BwE
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    Lightweight Rain Jackets

    Frogg Toggs are nice, if you don't mind replacing them after every use. They'll be fine if you just need to pull it out to use for a half hour, but expect to need a new set (especially the pants) after any extended use. I keep a few sets scattered around my gear, in case I get caught without a real rain jacket, but it's no substitute for a real rain jacket. REI brand is decently priced and good quality.
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    Tiger Summer Pin

    There's debate on this. Many units (ours included) follow the method outlined on https://meritbadge.org/wiki/index.php/National_Summertime_Award where they are earned the summer after earning the rank. So the Tiger one would be earned the summer after first grade. There's a recent response from national floating around on one of the Facebook sites that this is the intended method of awarding. However, without clear guidelines in guide to advancement, it's up to your unit to decide what works best for them.
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    Policy on going through scout totes

    I'm simply blown away that our purported mission is to develop leadership skills and we're teaching these kids that they should have no expectation of privacy and our base position is one of guilt, demanding searches of personal gear and pat-downs "in the name of safety". I've never experienced being searched (or even heard of anyone being searched) as a youth on an outing (school, sports, church, or scouts). Granted that was 25ish years ago, but even today, the thought that all bags are being searched on a class trip, is beyond belief. Private/Catholic schools may be able to get away with it, but in their quasi-governmental capacity, public schools would be seem to edging into some Constitutionally-questionable areas. I vaguely remember something about not losing your rights at the schoolhoiuse gate (in this case 4th amendment). Besides, kids are smart. They know you're searching bags, if they wanted to sneak things in, they won't be putting it in their bags. As mentioned above, we can't keep contraband out of prisons, but somehow we're going to be able to stop Little Johny from smuggling that extra snickers bar.
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    Policy on going through scout totes

    That may very well work for you, but to my Libertarian views it smacks of building irrational fear to justify encroaching on personal liberties. "Don't worry, we'll keep you safe from them; all you have to give up is just a few of your Rights."
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    Policy on going through scout totes

    False equivalence. Rights of homeowner and parent are a bit more permissive than that of a Scoutmaster. The Scoutmaster's actions were inappropriate. He should never go through anybody's belongings by himself or without the owner present. Period. Nothing he was doing solved an immediate threat to safety. If he had concerns, he could have waited until the owners returned, gave them a chance to turn over any "contraband", then if still necessary conducted the search inspection under witness of a second adult and the property owner. I would think in this era that adults have learned; why even put yourself in a position of being accused of something perverse by rooting around alone in a Scout's personal (and private) belongings?
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    Scout Sign

    This may not be a disability per se, more of a physical limitation question. I have an adult scouter who because of past injuries, surgeries and arthritis creeping in, can't bend his pinky to make the scout sign. Not a bit deal, but he's wondering if he should: 1. Bend his index finger, so that he's still performing the sign with 3 fingers, or 2. hold his whole hand up to make a 4-fingered sign. Thanks in advance.
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    Scout injured by catapulted potato sues

    How timely, this goes along well with our council's webinar next week to explain the $12 increase in registration fees for 2020 to cover "insurance costs".
  15. They'll never reverse a decision and just fall back on the "not punishing the youth for the mistakes of adults."
  16. So then is she eligible for Eagle in 6 months (assuming completion of service project, POR, etc.)? And if so, in the name of avoiding delayed recognition, why should she have to wait 2 years for the first "introductory class of female Eagles"?
  17. The people "reporting" shenanigans on here have nothing to base those accusations on other than a girl achieved First Class in 90 days. The bar for "reporting" seems pretty low.
  18. It may or may not be sufficient or empirical evidence, but he does have the Scout Law to fall back on, and the whole "Scout is Trustworthy" argument. I'd say the onus of the argument is on whomever is asserting there are shenanigans afoot to provide evidence to the fact, as opposed to someone saying everything (for the most part) is above board.
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    Webelos AOL & Crossover

    The thread branched a bit, sorry for the confusion. My question and subsequent followup in response to Treflienne was specific to Cub Scout advancement "ranking up", not Crossover.
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    Webelos AOL & Crossover

    We're talking about advancing rank within Cub Scouts, not moving from Cub Scouts to Scouts BSA . The practice of advancing Cub Scouts to the next rank by age is/was exclusive to LDS units.
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    Webelos AOL & Crossover

    Right, so I guess my question is: Are other Chartered Orgs allowed to operate under that method or was that an exemption for LDS units and no longer allowable?
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    Webelos AOL & Crossover

    Sorry for the slight derail. With the Church no longer chartering packs will the LDS method of promoting to next rank upon birthday continue (or be allowed)? Or will all Scouts be required to follow the more traditional approach of promotion at end of school year?
  23. Based on what? Bias? Jealousy?
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    GS Gold vs BS Eagle

    Without trying to dredge up an argument on a 6 year old thread, a couple things stood out to me. *Disclaimer* I am not an expert on either award (especially the GSUSA Gold Award). These points are based on my current understanding, please correct me if I'm mistaken (I'm sure someone will). 1. Because of the nature on how BSA rank works vs GSUSA's advancement structure, you must include all the BSA rank requirements (including Scout-Life requirements) in reflecting on the full process of earning Eagle. 2. Is there really a Cookie requirement to earn Gold?
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    Best Webelos Camp?

    We just booked Rock Enon. Really looking forward to it. Not so much the 7.5 hour drive.
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