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  1. @Gilwell_1919: If Churchill had said it, it would be called "oratory."
  2. I agree with you. Public sentiment will likely be the controlling power which determines the future of Scouting. I was just trying to lay out the bare legal mechanism. If control of the intellectual proper ty is lost, the Movement has no handbooks, patches, training materials, etc... One cannot download a .pdf of the Guide to Safe Scouting if the "lay" owner does not make it available. All I am pointing out is that if control of the intellectual property escapes the Movement, things will get even more complicated. And I also agree that the public has little appreciation for the fi
  3. Well, intellectual property rights are no different in legal concept than owning a building or Philmont. In a Ch 7 liquidation, all would be sold, and the proceeds distributed to creditors Those assets will not simply pass down by some process to the LC's. The LC's are separate legal corporations. The LC's might pool their assets and purchase National's intellectual property rights, but it will not be a gift to them. The new owner could simply discontinue publication of the Scout Handbook. If I buy a car, I don't have to drive it. The inventory of Scout Handbooks already published and on
  4. A big consideration is whether National survives and controls its intellectual property. If National is liquidated, depending on who purchases National's intellectual property, there may be no Scout Handbooks published in the future until they come into the public domain. That could be a couple of decades. Someone seeking to continue a Scouting program in the absence of National will be purchasing Scout Handbooks from eBay. And rank patches and medals. And, whomever operates the unit will not have any insurance (they may not have any now). And they will need to make arrangeme
  5. And how are actions taken by a Boy Scout Council and published in more than two dozen newspapers, inappropriate here? Particularly considering the subject matter herein discussed at length as the cause of National's bankruptcy.
  6. Ever had an adult scouter, publicly thrown out of scouting for political reasons, (and later reinstated) come up to you at a camporee at a Council camp and say to you: "My son told me he plans to stay close to me this weekend so that no one from the Council will show up and throw me out of camp-my son thought that they wouldn't do that if he was nearby." I have heard that. So, you wield the pen-strike from my posts that which seems "over the top." Please let me know what is exaggeration.
  7. Hardly hyperbole. For $100, I can ship a copy of the records. Ever been publicly accused as a child abuser in YOUR hometown by no less than that Beacon of Purity, the Boy Scouts of America? Because you raised the issue that the Council was bankrupt? A Council which attempted murder, but had to settle for rape, when the allegations were totally unfounded? My friends did. I know these things to be true. And perhaps, you might consider thinking before pouncing.
  8. You likely do not know as much about this as me, and you have been spared. Nowhere near the level of trauma experienced by sexual abuse survivors, but I speak almost daily with one of my friends who experienced the "shunning" procedure of National.
  9. Which raises the question: "Does National have any idea what 'principles' are?' Starting with, "Trustworthy..."
  10. Hyperbolic, perhaps. But to those DAMNED by National it is not. Their reputations have been damaged in their hometowns, communities, churches... I know several scouters whose faithful longevity and recognition and awards far and away exceed those of any others I know, were so abused by National.
  11. And so WHY would National drape itself in the American Flag, yet DENY the fundamental principles of which that Flag symbolizes?
  12. I know that the Bill of Right does not apply. But that is not what BSA SELLS. "We are good and decent folks, Americans, God and Country, Flag, principles..." BUT if you do not play by OUR rules, WE WILL CRUSH YOU. And National will. I know these things to be true.
  13. A Death Warrant by any other name... The BSA has a Death Warrant process.
  14. Significant donors in my council have walked away from making any donations.
  15. "Fire me?" (The very, very short answer is YES, National can "FIRE YOU." And it has fired volunteers for non-sexual abuse reasons (political), fired units, and sanctioned councils.) I came across your post while looking for something else. But I have returned to respond-as I must. My conscience will not permit me to pass by your post without comment. Everyone should know the things that I know. "But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career." --Liam Neeson playing Bryan Mills in Taken. In my case, substitute
  16. Considering the focus brought to the CH 11, Act 5, thread today by a mere court ruling or two, were the judge to so oblige...daily...the problem would be solved. (Sorry-not even worth 2 cents.)
  17. Knowledgeable folks in my council, for over 20 years, have discussed how we could run the council with only a Registrar, and save about $3 million in payroll. Our SE earns is paid out about 10% of the entire annual budget. The rest of the council staff is paid about another 10%. Think of that ratio. Our SE is paid to supervise a minimum wage person that the minimum wage person is paid to do their entire job. And to whom is the SE beholden? National. National determines whether the SE is "offered" to a particular council for employment (big council means better salary-not
  18. I draw distinction between Scouting (the Movement of Baden-Powell and Hillcourt), and the "commissioned," senior administration of National (running a business franchise operation out of Irving). Many of us are deeply committed to Scouting. And hope it does survive. I have nothing but contempt and disgust for those at National who have brought Scouting to its current plight. I have little doubt that were National's business conducted more like a typical business, instead of the secretive, low transparency organization that it is and has been historically, things would be differe
  19. This is just a d*mning analysis. And, upon the move to Irving, someone had to point to a set of plans and say, "This is where the IV files go." And was that room a key-card access only room? "We have to make this a secure area." "Why?" "Can't tell you." "Oh the tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive."
  20. Methodists: 3,670 cases. At the top of the list. I guess the question is whether there were only 3 Methodist cases in the last 10 years, as was stated in the article.
  21. Back a few pages in this thread, I recall the Methodists were at the top of the list of number of cases.
  22. Has Steven Scheid's April 28, 2021 article in United Methodist Insight been noted or discussed here? https://um-insight.net/in-the-church/local-church/sexual-abuse-in-um-scout-troops-is-nearly-non-existent-let-s/ One paragraph particularly caught my attention: The fact that one in six males have been sexually abused increases the perception that there must be thousands of incidents of sexual abuse within Scout units. However, the cumulative rate of reported sexual abuse within United Methodist sponsored units over the past ten years is 0.001 percent. With more than 300,000 youth
  23. I don't like the weight of Nalgenes either, nor the wide mouth as it is too easy to spill too much if bumped over, however, some have noted that they are easier to work with in winter if water becomes frozen or slushy.
  24. In the case of the time barred claims, they not only ripened, but expired. The purpose of bankruptcy is to discharge valid, enforceable debts. For individual debtors, virtually all their claims are known as of the date they file bankruptcy. These are claims known as of the date of filing. For corporate debtors, such as a manufacturer of trucks, there is a greater likelihood of claims arising in the future based on facts existing prior to the date of filing of the bankruptcy. I think these would be based on warranties extended, or a tort theory, like negligence or products liability.
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