johnsch322

So is there a number between 1.7B and 100B that would be fair and balanced in your eyes?

No amount of adult supervision will keep this from happening. When there is will there is a way.

Taking this a step further...if they are having sexual relations and it occurs on a BSA outing is the BSA then on the hook for sexual abuse? Adult having sex with a minor?

I understand so maybe I should have said it sounds like a step in the right direction.

Now that sounds fair.

At this juncture yes. Let me qualify what I mean. If this is as good of a plan that BSA can come up with than yes.

First you need to understand that BSA's purpose for entering Bankruptcy was to keep as much of their assets as possible while getting out of the pile of crap they themselves had created. They wanted to get the LC's off the hook along with themselves. That goal has never changed. Put up just enough to make all of this go away. They totally underestimated the number of claimants. Then they cut the first deal with Hartford (which was more than atrocious). They than went to LC's and said hey put up some money I think we can make this turd of an offer shine a little. They were cut off at the knees. Back to the drawing board they went. A little more money from National, a little more from LC's, talk to Hartford firm up a little more guaranteed cash, pressure on some CO's voila 250M from LDS but only to LDS CO survivors (whoa I have to split my LC's money with them and get none of the LDS money...that sucks). Cut a deal with the Coalition for millions promise the sky when you basically have already capped the major contributors at pennies on the dollar and in doing this you lose the support of the TCC. Turd still has no shine. Now they want to send this all out for a vote. So if I and other claimants vote yes we pretty much settle for the muddy turd. If we vote no the worst we get is the proverbial turd and if enough say no (and you only need more than about 35,000 no votes we stand a strong chance of getting more. With the toggle plan we get to go to state court or the entity's who are trying to shirt tail onto the Bankruptcy (LC's, CO's Insurance companies) need to come up with more. In my opinion BSA National should exit bankruptcy on their own and let everyone else defend themselves.

Fair is an option that BSA is not pursuing.

You are correct in saying “BSA/councils are guilty of not describing their finances” but the sad truth is that until they do claimants will have a hard time to vote yes until they do. It will be the claimants who decide if the offer is fair and that will be through the voting process.

If I am not mistaken (legal minds please let me know) the judge would have to put a gag order on all the lawyers not just one.

And where are you getting your information from to be able to state that "other than if they were to liquidate"? Los Padres council has 17 million in assets and offering up 1.7M and so you say any more than that they have to liquidate? They could not continue to operate if they offered up 5.1M or 25% of their assets?

I believe it is a First Amendment Right called free speech. It should still taught in school classrooms.

Kosnoff Law @SexAbuseAttys · Oct 5 To survivors who read my tweets: If you are willing to talk to the media about your reactions to the plan, please text me with yes and your phone/e-mail address at 425-830-8201. You don’t have to be an AIS client but if you are not, you should clear it with your lawyer first. 6 1 6 Kosnoff Law @SexAbuseAttys · 23h Wow. Thanks for all of you who are texting me that you are willing to talk to the media. I need for you to identify in your texts whether you are represented by AIS law firms; a Coalition Law Firm or you are unrepresented. I have a major news organization that wants to talk 2 U.

That is an image without his face. I copy pasted it.

To survivors who read my tweets: If you are willing to talk to the media about your reactions to the plan, please text me with yes and your phone/e-mail address at 425-830-8201. You don’t have to be an AIS client but if you are not, you should clear it with your lawyer first.

I think you are only half correct. The forum has been used as a point for members to state their positions on the proposal from BSA (the RSA). If ones position or view changes a claimants view that is not actually a bad thing. My own personal views have been changed and that is due to facts that have been presented. A big portion of what has been posted is the easier to read recaps and legal views from @CynicalScouterand or @ThenNowand others. Yes their are posts that might influence the voting but in all honesty that is a great thing for victims (maybe not so much for non victims.

It’s a Washington State number at this time of year you might get an Albacore trip out of Westport Wa. Albacore don’t like insurance companies.

Tim Kosnoff is looking for survivors looking to talk to national media. Read his Twitter account.

My fear exactly.

1 Even though I am 67 I feel as if I have plenty of time left. I feel much better about what happened to me now that I have been able to be public about it. 2 I can’t say how much more exactly I can get but I will say that I don’t believe by voting no I will get less. 3 If my no vote helped result in a defeat and only the BSA national was part of the exit my next step will be state court. I am tier one, aggravating factors and in an SOL state.

They would look good with my members only jacket LOL

Is there anyone on this forum that could give me a rational objective reason to vote anything but NO on the current proposal?

It’s not that I care when you down vote me (and you do quite often) I would like you to explain what it is you actually disagree with. Maybe I was wrong so put your down vote thoughts together and explain. Maybe I will change my view or learn something new. If I am down voting I always try to explain why. I might even disagree with a post write out my thoughts and not down vote the original post or I might do both. Or I might disagree and do neither. To me aside from being informative a forum is a place for discussion and debate.

BSA entered Bankruptcy voluntarily and new of this requirement and even knew that more claimants would come forward. They were not forced into bankruptcy hence on their own volition.

Let’s be honest. BSA was afraid it wouldn’t survive if it had to go to court on all of the lawsuits it faced. So they then entered bankruptcy and even on their own volition asked claimants to come forward. That with the help of law firms has resulted in the claims being 82,500 (they were facing less than 300 when this started). The amount that BSA has come forward with though not substantial on its own is a higher percentage of net value than what the LC’s have come up with. The amount the LC’s have put forward is pathetic. What is worse is the amount that they negotiated supposedly for the victims of fractions on the dollar from the insurance companies. The only reason they are doing this is to try to entice uninformed claimants with what sounds like (but isn’t) a substantial sum so they can get out of their obligations to survivors and their own bankruptcy hell. As a survivor in an open state with a tier one abuse to be looking at 57K as the award is pathetic. Shame shame BSA!!