johnsch322

That is exactly what the TCC wants to do. They will show how much more is needed and a path to get there. I am sure if XYZ council can find a way to get to the figure no one will care which path they take. One important point to remember this is a BSA National bankruptcy and all other entities LC's CO's etc. are just trying to piggyback so they won't possibly suffer greater losses in the future.

The biggest problem as I see it with the current plan is not what BSA National is putting up it is what makes up the rest of the plan. Not enough from the LC's and the fact that the insurance company's and CO's are included. Everyone should remember that the TCC endorsed the first plan (which had less from LC's but the endorsement could be removed if the Hartford settlement was included.

You are absolutely correct the BSA Tort Claimant Committee which is made up of abuse survivors mission is for their fellow victims. The legal team they hired is representing all victims and their mandate is to maximize the amount that victims are able to receive. The majority of the money that victims receive will not be from BSA National or the LC's but the CO's and mostly the insurance policies. BSA survival is up to the BSA itself. Since the LC's only want to give up approximately 14% overall and some LC's much less by claiming they need certain camps to carry on their mission why wouldn't you care for what they have to say. It is hard to comprehend on one hand someone saying we care about the survivors but oh no we don't want to give up assets that may be unneeded for compensation. This should be a given by everyone. TCC members and all victims do not wish the hell they have endured to be repeated. This is the BILLION DOLLAR question...what is the real obligation of the LC's?

I think a lot of parents look at youth activities as somewhere to just dump their children. My daughter was a competitive swimmer and her Mom and I spent major amounts of time on pool decks. amazing how many kids were just dropped off in parking lots and at swim meets the same parents complaining that swimming took up to much of their time.

I kind of keep seeing that theme repeated. More talk about it from the BSA side might be a good preventative method. Discussion from BSA to parent might lead to more parent to scouter talk.

I might be wrong but I think the dam is getting ready to burst as far as the media and the BSA.

Question to current scout leaders. What do you tell current scouts and or their parents if asked about the current bankruptcy and the child sexual abuse in the past?

I have to admit it felt good to hear the TCC say so many times that the plan sucks.

With that being said I see an incredible hill to climb for a yes vote.

I understand what you are saying but I meant to say if not accepted.

The problem with a low ball offer in this situation is the ramifications of what that might mean if it is not accepted. I would like to add this is not in the arena of a car dealership where you can offer 5K for 20K car. The dealer will just tell you to get lost and that is the end of it. Here the low ball will not get rid of the problem.

I actually thought the question was straight forward. My opinion that scouters within an LC would be better off if the LC gave up a greater share of their assets now than face the uncertainty of the outcome of the LC becoming bankrupt.

I am going out on a limb and presuming you mean the current settlement offer. I will go further and assume you are not a claimant/victim.

The abusers definitely are. But unfortunately most of them are dead or unidentifiable.

Not sure which LC you belong to but would it be in the best interest of your current scouters if your LC had to declare bankruptcy?

I would like to add that for anyone who cares about current scouters satisfying victims is in their best interest. If the vote doesn't pass and this all goes to the toggle plan their will be many LC's going bankrupt. That will hurt current scouters more than meaningful money being put into the settlement by LC's.

I gag at blood pudding and I was born in the UK LOL

I think that the forum would be quite boring if everyone thought the same way. For the most part I find these discussions to be quite civil.

That was BSA's secondary plan where they exit bankruptcy on their own. If not enough votes are garnered in favor of the current plan that may be what the judge orders. Nor was this a problem that survivors created.

But they are offering 57K. But they can do a lot better.

And in reality that is my position. If the BSA national cannot put together and adequate compensation package do the toggle plan (BSA exits alone) and let us go after LC's CO's and insurance company's in state court.

Ok a half million dollars to me would require a $665,000 award (my lawyers would get 33.3%). That is a hell of a lot more than 57K which is on the table right now. My personal feeling is that I should receive 1.5 to 2M and out of that would come my lawyers cut. If I was in state court the 2M might be on the low side. So you see there is an amount that I would be content with and there is an amount beyond what the BSA is offering that you think is fair. So now please go to whomever you know within the BSA and ask for claimants to get a fair settlement.

I am sorry but I find that to be a terrible response to a pointed question. I will try to ask again in a different way. I am a tier one victim and my abuse occurred in an open state with aggravating factors. My abuse has been vetted by a psychiatrist and I am currently in therapy and on Prozac. How much do you think would be a fair amount for me? Please do not beat around the bush and give me your honest opinion.

I agree. I will wait for a response and I hope it is not the old cliche of “there is not enough money to make claimants happy”. I find that type of response to be insulting and demeaning.

The lowest LOL. And no BS about caring.