johnsch322

To be fair to the current CEO he was brought in after the sh_t hit the fan. 1 Million may not have been enough to have me take the job. Well on second thought $1,000,001 works for me).

I personally welcome anyone who wishes to disagree with me to do so. The only thing that I ask is for an explanation why. I may be wrong and I am not afraid to admit when I am. All of this is a learning experience for me. I am appreciative of what most people have to say hear and I love when I see facts and figures. I also reserve the right to disagree with anyone on this forum but I will as best as I can to let you know why.

I would like to point out something to the dedicated scouters/leaders on the forum. The biggest threat to the BSA/Scouting as you know it is not the Tim Kosnoff or the majority of the claimants lawyers it is the insurance company's. The longer that they object to everything (validity of claims etc.) and refuse to settle the more money BSA is bleeding from legal fees. If it comes down to no money available a cramdown will become necessary for the survival of National. If the cramdown cones into effect the LC's will be left hanging as there will be a rush in all of the SOL states to the courthouse. When other states open up and have SOL's more claims will be filed (and it is only a matter of time before that happens). The amounts that will be awarded will cause most of those LC's to have to go bankrupt themselves.

It wasn't covered up because they thought it would go away...it was covered up because they did not want BSA's reputation tarnished which would have made it harder to raise money. Funny how it always comes down to the money i.e. they sacrificed boys mental health and lives for the sake of the almighty dollar.

Let me first thank you for posting the link but I think That your "NOT TRUE" is quite false. He gave dissolution as a possible scenario but wasn't adamant about it. He did say clean house but I am pretty sure he meant new leadership. After listening to the interview I actually have more respect for him. It totally reinforces my view that he is not in this for the money (though everyone likes to be paid) but instead is looking out for the survivors and for future youth.

That is a lot of hyperbole. I haven't seen any burning to the ground or salting the earth before the courts. You may see me dance though if I receive a fair and equitable settlement. Protecting kids or the lack of protection is why BSA is in the mess that it finds itself in. If some how BSA went into Chapter 7 you personally believe in the Scouting life and then I think you should say to 12 year old Johnny or the 15 year old life Scout that the dissolution of the BSA is not the end of the world and pales in comparison what happened to 13 year old John. You can always try to resurrect Scouting and it doesn't have to have the name BSA. I hope you get my point because if BSA does go Chapter 7 (and I personally don't think it will) those boys will need you.

I couldn't disagree more. I believe he cares more about survivors than he does in the institution known as the BSA. He will leave the salvaging of BSA to those who believe it can be salvaged.

You are right. If I had used 1 in 6 or 100 per abuser the doubting Thomas’s would have had a field day. I wanted to show that even using watered down stats that the 82,500 number was a number way to low.

The answer to this question is within what you wrote "BSA was trying to do something when the rest of society was ineffective and doing little." What BSA was doing was ineffective (unless maybe you count the last 10 or 15 years). If it was effective there would be less claimants/victims. Also there would be no bankruptcy if there was minimal amounts of abuse. The small numbers that BSA believed they had drove them into thinking bankruptcy and then the volume came forward.

If a roller skating teacher bragged of having having 100's of victims what would make an abuser in the BSA any different? Larry Nasser in gymnastics had 100's. I am not saying that all of them had hundreds and I acknowledge that some had maybe 1. One of my abusers had at least 11 according to the IVF and nobody asked me if I had been abused. I would find it hard to believe my case is an anomaly.

On my Traegar!!

To have only 82000 victims the stat would have to be 1 in 1400 which would be a fairytale 7000 known abusers with 25 victims is 175,000 with 50 is 350,000 which is a nightmare. So what would the stat for how many were caught vs got away with it? Lets say 1 in 4 were caught that would be between 700,000 to 1.4 million a bigger nightmare.

lets try 1 in 100 and then maybe 1 in 300 At 1 in 100 115 M scouts =1,150,000 victims At 1 in 200 115 M scouts = 575,000 victims At 1 in 300 115 M scouts = 383,333 victims Wow

The abuse happened in the late 60's and neither had relatives in the troop.

The IVF was reactive and not proactive. Maybe slightly better than nothing but looking at what happened thru that period of time it was ineffective to keep the abusers at bay.

That is better. I went and looked at the form. Do you know when it was first written on an application like that? That form was from 2018 I think. More than one message isn't getting thru.

When was this study done? Because there was 82,000 claims does not mean that is all who were abused.

But a disclosure in a handbook would be after the fact of signing up. How about a disclosure when signing up that had to be signed by the parent? And one every year after?

So how did at least 2 abusers get into my troop? How was one of them able to go to another state and allowed to apply and only when his name found was his application denied? Only god knows what the second person was able to continue doing. I think that the imperators in your reply is “expected”. Judging by the size of the perversion files this was not routinely carried out.

30, 40, 50 plus years ago they weren't just allowed to slip in because the door was open wide for the abusers. The BSA had no safeguards in place for prevention period. Anyone could be a volunteer unless the name you were using was in the files and you hadn't changed your name from your previous time when you had been caught.

First I want you to know that as a survivor I feel your pain. If you look at my posts you will know most of what I have personally gone thru in my journey. Most of us will welcome your comments and hope that you find some peace by being able to post your feelings and your thoughts, I know that this forum has done that for me. We are an eclectic group of individuals who post here with many varied views not all of whom I personally agree with. I am also quick to voice my opinion when I don't agree so feel free to give your alternate opinion when you have the urge.

And me also!! Unless he was just being polite LOL!!

As I have said previously he seems to be the most interesting character in the circus. He would definitely be someone who I would like to have a conversation with.

Kosnoff Law @SexAbuseAttys · 11h Dear hens in the Henhouse. http://Scouter.com I love you, well, at least some of you. You are the most intelligent, acerbic commentators on the BSA and the bankruptcy. Following your exchanges is incredibly edifying. Sadly, many of you don’t understand me. Listen to me here: I wonder who he doesn't like?

Therein lies a dilemma and I will use my own legal representation as an example. They have offices in the following states AZ, CA, CO, HI, IL, MN, NJ, NY, and PA. My understanding is that they represent 1600 claimants. I would say that it would be reasonable to assume that they have claimants in all of those states. On who's behalf would they file a brief for or against time barred being able to vote? I think brief is the correct term? @ThenNow?