johnsch322

For the majority of us justice cannot be served to our abusers. Personally I want both of them accountable but one I don't even know his name and the other his name was known at the time but nothing happened to him then and now too much time has passed. Both I would want dead. As for myself yes I want just compensation and yes that means money...a sh*t load of money if I had my way. So yes I guess I want both. You shouldn't be confused I would say that the majority of us feel the same way.

If I came across my abuser (been so long I am sure I couldn’t recognize him if he is alive) I would find a way to run over him in a crosswalk in my 2020 Ford Ranger 4X4. I just wanted to make sure you didn’t drive some piss ant little truck like a Chevy Luv.

What kind of truck?

All of this is arrogance on the part of the BSA. We have an abuse problem, but it's not very big. Equitable Compensation, the abused survivors will take pennies on the dollar and go away happy. Our CO's which are mission critical would never desert us, because they need us. Reach out to an abused scout and help him out, hell no we have millions more where he came from.

Quick thank you to the members of the TCC. I find the Town Halls to be very informative and I know all of this must be very painful for all of them. As hard as it is for us I can not imagine how heart wrenching it must be for them. They have a large load on their shoulders and I personally am grateful for their service to us.

And that is why they are in Bankruptcy.

I would be perfectly fine if a cute little Cub Scout got up and tearfully asked the court that thru this bankruptcy he would never be harmed in the way that all the abused have been. To ensure that every safeguard was put into place so the future within BSA is a safe place for him and all his fellow scouters.

So who are "they"? In your opinion are the people who believe in bigger numbers of victims than you do also "want greater government involvement in all of our lives"?

Please don't tell me that the numbers one believes have been abused has anything to do with political views.

Hopefully none of your friends and relatives are victims but factually they may not tell you and might be claimants. As far as the court records go we are just numbers not names.

Big difference of being contacted to be made aware of the bankruptcy and being solicited to file suits. If 95 percent of all men over the age of 55 or older were to be shown to contacted I wonder why I wasn’t? I wonder how they got contact info? If they only contacted active or current adult scouts whom BSA would have current contact info that would not sound Kosher to be able to certify anything.

How I have been feeling about so much of what people post: "People say believe half of what you see.Oh, and none of what you hear.Whoa, I jus' can't help being confused.If it's true please tell me dear. I heard it thru the grapevine"

Since most scouters do not attain the rank of Eagle Scout (Eagle Scouts are older scouts and abuse victims tend to younger) and the fact that most victims withdraw from scouting old Eagle Scouts (exception @ThenNow) would tend not to be abuse victims. But how were they approached...it couldn't have been thru the perversion files since victims names were redacted. Do you know for a fact if they were abused or not? If they were not abused are you saying someone (who) was trying to have them file false claims?

Here is a fact 82,500 claims. Nobody in this forum has the right or the knowledge to discount not one of these claims (including myself). Not one of them to my knowledge has been discounted in any type of court of law. I have my suspicions that some are false but I have no proof of fact. Yet some people on this forum who want or tout facts are quick to discount this number and are critical of anyone who chooses to believe based on other studies this number could be quite higher. BSA was founded in 1910 and it would be quite reasonable and factual to say the majority of those who had been abused in the first 30 years are dead. How many would that be? Statistically how many victims would have died off between the ages of 40 to 80? I posted a few months ago a number using mortality rates for men at certain ages based done year that abuse happened by the claims and the number was amazingly higher than 82,500.

I believe that the number of 82k is low and here is why. My abuser per the perversion files molested at least 11 boys. When looking at the claims I am the only claimant on the local council. What happened to the at least 10 others? In the highest number of years statistically a large percentage of men have died. They aren’t counted. The reason this matters is so that some people can’t just say oh millions have been scouts and only a minuscule amount have been abused and then trumpet oh look how good a job the BSA does or has done.

Well that predates Tim Kosnoff. And the name "perversion files" or "P files" pretty much says that the BSA knew what they had in their ranks.

I am pretty sure the BSA would not have named it the "perversion files" instead they called it something that would was more innocuous the "IVF". As soon as one report had to do with the abuse of boys it became perverted on it's own. I am sure you do know that it wasn't Tim Kosnoff who thru the Oregon Supreme Court had the BSA release the IVF files. It was an attorney named Kelly Clark who is now deceased. Also it was the media who named them the "perversion files" and that happened immediately. What would you say would not be onerous and extreme. The victim in the case in Oregon was awarded 18.5 million. Any time that a judgement is rendered it can always be appealed if it is excessive.

What do you mean by this? Could you expound please?

He has to be the most interesting figure in the three ring circus.

This is a little disappointing to read as it was @mrjeff who started this thread. As was said if you want to post your opinion be ready to hear the other side. Hasn't history taught us anything?

Gay scoutmasters are not attracted to young boys...period! Gay men do not seek out straight men. Lesbians are still girls/women and I know this because my daughter is lesbian and every inch a girl and acts like a girl.

It appears that you are homophobic and you have that right. I think BSA and these forums might be better off without your participation and some of the old sad opinions.

In California before a claim can be filed in court for sexual abuse claimants above a certain age must have a psychiatrist interview and certify that in their opinion that there was sexual abuse. I forget what age that is but I did have to go thru that procedure. I believe once the psychiatrists report is written that by itself is taken to a judge. I can tell you for a fact that in my case the interview lasted for about an hour and was not just for rubber stamping purposes. I am sure that something similar would weed out many claimants in the bankruptcy.

John accepts the blame.

My time frame would be 30 to 60 years ago and yes I am asking about CSA trauma.