InquisitiveScouter

This, too @RichardB

This.

Maybe he could make me a "Shusher"!!! https://memes.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/ef68ce5d-d1e8-4a8f-81a3-ba91a7391372

Well, five stakeholders... 5. Boy Scouts of America - wants money (and there is never enough) ... and it clearly is structured to meet that agenda. Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! https://youtu.be/FAxkcPoLYcQ

Because the idea that "Scouting is a positive outlet that focuses on just having fun" is too limited, and unappealing to two of the three (or four?) stakeholders in Scouting. Each of the three (or four) groups of stakeholders in Scouting has a different agenda. 1. Youth - want fun and adventure 2. Parents - want safety and personal growth for their children at a reasonable expenditure (or some primarily want a resume bullet) 3. The CO/Community/Country - wants productive citizens (4. Volunteers - want to have a positive impact on lives and the future of our country... or maybe just some knots on a uniform 😜 ) Scouting is a program designed to meet all three (four?) agendas. So, if you want it to be successful, you have to address each.

Whenever we turn in the paperwork, we operate under the assumption that is is approved unless we hear otherwise. We do not allow a lack of action on council's part to stop our efforts. Now, we do turn in the paperwork at least one month ahead of time, and we follow up with two weeks remaining. That is ample opportunity for council to voice any concerns. And if anyone ever asked for a cut, we tell them they are more than welcome to work in the fundraiser with us, and have their percentage share from whatever they sell. (That is, part of their fundraising goes to our unit 😜 )

If each unit uses Scoutbook, you could subscribe to each units' calendar in one central Google calendar. Therefore, no need to maintain or put items into the Google calendar. Changes in Scoutbook automatically populate to the Google calendar (although this can be delayed a bit.) You can look at the central Google calendar just to see conflicts.

An age old problem, my friend... How old is the story of the Ant and the Grasshopper??

To facilitate the change over, they must physically step foot out of the established campground. So, a trip to the local gas station, convenience store, or even just stepping into the easement of the road would do it (not into the road of course... that would be more dangerous than the two back-to-back over-(meaning one)-nighters. Letter of the law!! In fact, maybe we could coin a new term... OVERMONIGHTER = over-meaning-one-nighter

@5thGenTexan, I resolved long ago that I am only responsible for my actions, and no one else's. You will always have liars, cheaters, and thieves out there. Just stick to your principles (Scout Oath and Law) and model that for your Scouts. And when you stray from them (as we will!!!), own it, admit it, make amends (if possible), ask forgiveness, and move on. You will have an effect, just as the liars, cheaters, and thieves will.

Funny that this thread starts on 21 Feb 2023, and the definitions on line were changed after 23 Feb. WE ARE HAVING AN EFFECT!!!

Current page (06 Mar 2023): https://www.scouting.org/resources/los/# ENTRY: overnighter A Cub Scout Pack organized one night campout held at a Council designated location. Also see “Webelos Scout overnighter.” ENTRY: Webelos Scout overnighter A one night campout by Webelos Scouts and their parent or guardian. Cached on 23 Feb 2023 http://web.archive.org/web/20230221012845/https://www.scouting.org/resources/los/ ENTRY: overnighter See “Webelos Scout overnighter.” ENTRY: Webelos Scout overnighter A one- or two-night campout by Webelos Scouts and their parent or guardian. Yes, Orwellian @Eagle94-A1 First site capture I can find: 05 Jun 2019 http://web.archive.org/web/20190605234607/https://www.scouting.org/resources/los/ NO ENTRY for "Overnighter" ENTRY: Webelos Scout overnighter A one- or two-night campout by Webelos Scouts and their parent or guardian. There are 86 captures on the site from 05 Jun 2019 to today. You can view them and see where the changes occurred yourself. http://web.archive.org/web/20190601000000*/https://www.scouting.org/resources/los/ By @Eagle94-A1?? or by BSA??

Here's a video explaining how to apply the Cub Scout camping rules from G2SS... https://youtu.be/pXw7LYWNi5E

Yes, sounds like you have a Cub Scout camping club, not Scouting. Until the adults get on board, it's not gonna happen. And, unfortunately, it takes an adult driving the train initially to get the youth to do Scouting. Because, most kids are inherently lazy stemming from incompetence and fear of failure, they are unwilling to do the work. So they need to be led or pushed at the start. Adults also need to set expectations and task early on... "Want to go camping? Well, you need to make a menu... anyone??? No?? OK, then we aren't going camping." OR... "Yes, you Jimmy?? OK, do you want to do it for rank advancement. No?? OK, fine... let's go camping!!!" OR... "Yes, you Jimmy?? OK, do you want to do it for rank advancement?? Yes?? Great! Let's look at the rank requirements and talk about what you need to do to meet them. Then, let's go camping!!" [guide the Scout to... "Tell how the menu includes the foods from MyPlate or the current USDA nutritional model and how it meets nutritional needs for the planned activity or campout." and "...make a list showing a budget and the food amounts needed to feed three or more youth. Secure the ingredients."] Make sure it is an OFFER of OPPORTUNITY for advancement, not a demand. My favorite question from parents, "Why isn't my Scout advancing?" Answer: "Because he doesn't want to." or "Because he hasn't done the requirements to advance."

Golf, SCUBA, or, the most expensive... Citizenship in the Nation 😜 What's the national debt at now??

Thank you guys for having this discussion. I hope @RichardB sees this and concludes we have another confusing policy in place that needs clarification, if National actually wishes thoughtful leaders to follow it.

Just make sure they know that is the expectation!!

@RichardB, any thoughts on Circle 10 questioning and clarifying this Cub Scout camping policy? You've gone silent on this... wink, wink, nudge, nudge

To answer your question @Eagle94-A1, No, haven't heard of this. But, doing a fundraiser without your council's approval does put the unit's insurance coverage in jeopardy, potentially. Note the boldface at the bottom of the application that @RichardB linked to: "The local council is responsible for upholding the Charter and By-laws and the Rules and Regulations of the BSA. To ensure compliance, all unit fund-raisers MUST OBTAIN WRITTEN APPROVAL from the local council NO LESS THAN 14 DAYS before the fund-raising activity" Now, the primary reason for the council approval is your point B: they want to make sure you aren't dipping into their honey pot. Of course, they'll never admit this. The secondary reason is to make sure you are doing an activity that is consistent with all BSA policies. Prohibited sales would include things like lottery tickets, fireworks (with live demos), Howitzer cannons (with even better live demos), Girl Scout cookies ( 😜 ), etc, etc, etc. The tertiary reason is to alert council of the fundraiser, and to give them the opportunity to speak with adult leaders about it, if there are any concerns, such as the unit's Scouts soliciting people for donations (verboten)... Never heard any voiced concerns over interfering in a United Way campaign. But the application does mention this "Does the fund-raising activity avoid competition with other units, your chartered organization, your local council, and the United Way?" I have had discussions with council over concerns with interfering with other units conducting a fundraiser at the same time. More blather on this at: https://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2017/02/02/unit-fundraising-dos-and-donts/

No, there is no "Needs Approval" alert. This is a good thing. When a Scout enters something complete on Scoutbook, then the Scout needs to contact an adult to work on getting tested to have something approved. This keeps the monkey on the Scout's back. When a Scout marks something as complete, it is for their own tracking, and it should, in no way, create a "demand signal" for adult leaders.

Zaphod Beeblebrox

Just cut it in half/thirds/ etc, and try it at home first. Our family loves this soup!! Eat with a GIANT hunk of bread 😛

And here is one of my favorites... Prep the veggies and pre-measure the ingredients at home. Substitute extra firm tofu chunks for chicken, and find some vegan noodles. Yummy!! Quick Patrol Chicken Noodle Soup.pdf

Start easy, but expensive: Mountain and other vendors have dehydrated vegetarian/vegan offerings. https://mountainhouse.com/blogs/camping/15-delicious-vegetarian-camping-food-ideas https://www.amazon.com/Vegan-Camping-Food/s?k=Vegan+Camping+Food Find ones you like and try to recreate it at home to make it less expensive. Also, you can try the Humanitarian Daily Rations. They are MRE's for displaced populations. We airdrop millions of them around the world for crises. You can order some online. https://www.amazon.com/Wornick-Company-Military-Surplus-Humanitarian/dp/B09Y8SBLD8 https://www.mreinfo.com/other-us-rations/current-us-rations/humanitarian-daily-ration/