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  1. OK, then you have a camping club, not a Scout Troop. "The patrol system is not one method in which Scouting for boys can be carried on. It is the only method." - BP I would submit this is where you have to start. “The formation of the boys into Patrols of from six to eight and training them as separate units each under its own responsible leader is the key to a good Troop." - BP If you cannot get other leaders to agree to this concept, and to help implement it, then you should leave and find another Troop...one that uses the Patrol Method.
  2. What does your son's patrol want to do? Get another adult, and take them camping, if that's what the Scouts want. Does not have to be the SM on every trip.
  3. @5thGenTexan, you don't need the council... What level did you get? Just order the patches, if you want them, and recognize your Scouts at the level of program they achieved. We filled out our worksheet, sent it to our FD (we don't have an assigned DE) with a cc to our District Commissioner (we don't have an assigned Commissioner), and ordered our own patches. Here's a link to Gold: https://www.scoutshop.org/no-name-provided-656986.html
  4. If anything happens on church property, then the church will get dragged into the lawsuit. "Sue everyone, and let the courts sort it out," says the lawyer corps. (While the church hemorrhages cash in lawyer fees probably seeks a settlement.)
  5. LOL, Don't know how they got this, but I remember Scouts singing "Come on Eileen! Oh, I slid on my winks..."
  6. Don't overdo it at first... Just a tune or two during a lull around the campfire. Don't make it your show 😜 Make them short... Don't do 100 bottles of root beer on the wall. Don't demand that everyone sing... Youth often don't know the words, so are reluctant to sing. They have to hear the song many times before they feel comfortable with the words. Wanna help them? Print out a few copies and hand them out. Don't get upset if they wind up in the fire. In fact, make a game of that. Print on the bottom of it "Burn Only After Singing!!!" Learn Scout Vespers... that's a g
  7. Yup! In a BSA context, I would say the term should apply to overnight camps where you stay in one place the whole time.
  8. They couldn't anyway... NCAP specifically excludes unit camping, and directs it fall under G2SS: NATIONAL CAMP STANDARDS APPLICABILITY, SA-001 Exclusions. The World Scout Jamboree, National Scout Jamboree, and National Order of the Arrow Conference are mass events subject to additional health and safety requirements specific to those events which are equivalent to or more stringent than the National Camp Standards. Unit activities are subject to the Guide to Safe Scouting. https://pdscouting.wpenginepowered.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/2022-NCAP-Standards-v2-430-056.pdf
  9. LOL, is the National OA Committee implying that a unit run "resident camp" must comply with NCAP?
  10. Q/A: Resident Camping Requirement Q: I have a question about Unit Elections. For the camping requirement of six consecutive days and five nights of resident camping does the camping have to be at a BSA owned and operated camp, or can it be a unit long term campout allowed by the council? A: There has been some confusion over what camping qualifies in meeting the membership requirement for camping. Three factors apply: Camping must be under the auspices of an approved BSA program. The decision on what specific camping meets the spirit and intent of the camping require
  11. OK, still having coffee and waiting for my teenagers to get out of bed, so... Back to philosophy. Here's another twist: Q: Who decides what camping activities qualify for the camping requirement needed for election to the Order of the Arrow? A: With the camping requirement, as with all other eligibility requirements, it is the unit leader's job to interpret whether a Scout has met the requirement. As stated in the Guide for Officers and Advisers (2021 revision, page 18): Other than defining the length of time needed for a camping activity to be considered a long-te
  12. From the article: "Short-term campouts provide variety in both preparation and experience, and the Scouts are more likely to have to set up their own tent and take more responsibility for outdoor living skills. A long-term summer camp is still a long-term camp even if the Scout is there for only a portion of the time. It’s an entirely different adventure and usually doesn’t call for the same level of self-reliance required for a short-term camp." I think we'll count the canoe trek as 5 short-term camping experiences, with a day of canoeing between each one 😜
  13. Same reasoning I was questioning, @UKScouterInCA. It is all poorly worded. I believe the intent is to have a Scout set up camp multiple times, in a multitude of different settings, and fit into the mindset @qwazse outlined above. Look at the relaxed OA requirements for camping above. If you are a letter-of-the-law person like @mrjohns2 , then a Scout could have camped in his own back yard 27-31 May (5 nights in May) and then 01-05 June (5 nights in June) and have been eligible with short term nights. Never move his tent for this "virtual camping" experience. Not exactly what we'd be
  14. Not shirking. But I am a spirit if the law person, rather than a letter of the law type.
  15. Troop was camping. This Scout is also deeply active in school, sports, band, and church. I wish every Scout was as well rounded as he. Don't jump to conclusions without asking about the facts. You aren't making a very splendid figure @mrjohns2
  16. The canoe trek was August. Election is early Jan. We have one trip sched next month for 2 nights. He'll be short 2, unless we count all the nights of August, then he'd be over the requirement.
  17. Concur... but he has not been in Scouting for full two years. Joined at 13. Very active, great skills, and participates a lot. Def an "honor camper" already. I think it would be a disservice to him (and the Troop) to have him wait another year.
  18. Have experienced 15 nights of Scout camping while registered with a troop, crew, or ship within the two years immediately prior to the election. The 15 nights must include one, but no more than one, long-term camp consisting of at least five consecutive nights of overnight camping, approved and under the auspices and standards of the Boy Scouts of America. Only five nights of the long-term camp may be credited toward the 15-night camping requirement; the balance of the camping (10 nights) must be overnight, weekend, or other short-term camps of, at most, three nights each. Ship nights may be c
  19. I do it for the money! Our Committee just doubled my pay!! $0 x 2 = $0
  20. LOL, yes, you are correct. But he could say "No" to being a "professional." I have turned down several offers of DE positions...
  21. Yes! This is why we tell new folks the best skill to acquire is to know when to say "No."
  22. We give them the 5 year membership so they can apply for scholarships
  23. He was a known quantity in the council. Worked other jobs on the staff and at camp... I never had much interaction with him, and knew of him to be a generally good fellow. First report was that as he got into the role, he realized he sincerely found it distasteful. It is a curious development. I may ask my other contacts what the issue was.
  24. P.S. Even doing an annual increase, that would be about a 10% per year increase!
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