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Funny how we discuss these things here, and voila! National starts "testing the waters" on this...
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100% Also 100% Commissioner has correct picture... it's about best opportunity for those Scouts. Let others worry about the other unit. They can work to either save it, or transfer their Scouts to you. Be open and supportive to their coming over, but focus on your unit and Scouts. My hunch is, their CM will bring them over.
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DEI is an acronym for Don't Expect Improvement
InquisitiveScouter replied to Mrjeff's topic in Order of the Arrow
I would say to anyone who is making a decision about Scouting to not pay attention to posts on a website that is not official. And that ALL Scouting is local. So check out your local Troop to see if it is a good fit. I honestly do not believe anyone is so naïve as to think that way. We can (and do) have any number of people here who are not even involved in Scouting, yet post their ideas in conversations about topics. Just because you do not like people's opinions, or how they express them, or the way they pose an idea or question doesn't mean you are the hall monitor who has -
Best practices for backpacking troops
InquisitiveScouter replied to George's topic in Camping & High Adventure
I have done that section of the AT! This may not too much for WEBELOS who have never backpacked, if you limit their pack weight by having a good gear shakedown, and limit their weight to about 25% of their body weight. This means others may have to help carry gear. Or, you could let them join you for just one night on the trail! Have them backpack up with you to the first campsite. In the morning, they pack up and go back down to trailhead. This means you'd need two more adults, but they could ferry your cars to Crater Lake, and save you that logistical pain on the first day. -
DEI is an acronym for Don't Expect Improvement
InquisitiveScouter replied to Mrjeff's topic in Order of the Arrow
Ummm.... where did I say I was offended, or that you were an enemy? Your posts have not offended, just... confused (to use your phrasing) I often find myself reading tone and intent into these posts, and have to check those inclinations. Doing either pushes my own thoughts and biases onto the other person posting. So, I ask a lot of questions to get at the heart of a matter for understanding. I do find people often take offense at the mere asking of questions. This I find puzzling. And it is why I often say if you look for offense, you will find it. And on your discour -
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We disagree that that is an answer. The verbiage you cited specifically applies to den coordinated camping, on its face. But since you are the guy who publishes it, would you care to edify us on the thought behind it, given the situation posed? Here's a hypothetical to help view the policy gap more clearly: Twin 11-year-old brothers arrive at our Troop. They are looking for a Troop to join. Their parents asks if their twins may attend a camping trip before deciding on whether to commit to joining. "Sure!" We say, as this is allowed under current policies, and they ar
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I do not recall seeing this one in scoutshop.org. Might be a custom job?
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And yet, when you point out gaps in BSA policy like this, you get the stink eye. But, we can have an effect! I am convinced @RichardB got hold of people to make this change due to our conversations here! https://www.scouter.com/topic/33455-concerns-for-bsas-future/?tab=comments#comment-549021 And the result generated: "Cub Scout pack unit coordinated camping is limited to no more than two consecutive nights. " https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/gss/gss03/#a Thanks, @RichardB!! I do wish they recognized and appreciated the brain trust we have her
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No... he is inactive because the den has not completed AOL, and has no definitive plan to do so. So, he (his parent really) is wanting to ditch Cub Scouts, and they are looking for a Troop. The parent (I guess after their experience with an under-performing den?) wants to make sure they avoid a similar situation, and wants to find a quality program for their son. "Try it before you buy it." The crux of the question is, why would we impose a handicap on a youth who meets the criteria to join Scouts BSA, that he would not otherwise have, simply because he is registered as a Cub
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A youth cannot be registered in both programs. They are mutually exclusive. I looked in the Registration Guidebook, but could not find this specific prohibition. But, I do know the electronic systems do not allow this status. So, your Registrar would not do it. In implementation, yes: A youth is unable to earn the AOL once he joins Scouts, BSA.
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OK, so what's the difference in that Scout having "joined". Your insurance coverage was exactly the same. And you haven't really done anything to prevent exactly what you have outlined from happening again, have you? Are you saying that, once having "joined", you still do not allow a Scout to camp, until you feel comfortable that the parent has filled out the medical form correctly and sends the Scout with his meds? How do you know when you have reached that point? BTW, we require the medical form, a signed permission slip, and have that conversation with the parents in t
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But if he was not already registered, at 11 years old, he would be OK? Can you see the incongruity in your interpretation of that policy? This youth has already met two of the three existing criteria to join. But because he is registered already, you impose only the third criterion? And... to take that to its logical extreme... because he cannot withdraw his membership, on what date would he be relieved of your policy burden, if he chooses not to finish his AOL?
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Hmmm... recent changes to my.scouting.org? In-Council Transfer Application not accessible directly from the page... Anywho, you can do an In-Council Transfer through Scoutbook (SB). Look at the bottom of your unit roster in SB and you will see the In-Council Transfer button. This will take you to the my.scouting.org Organization Manager Transfer-In Application. You'll need: - Youth Member ID - Youth Member First Name - Youth Member Last Name - Youth Member Date of Birth We get these info bits from the parents, when we have a conversation to get their v
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DEI is an acronym for Don't Expect Improvement
InquisitiveScouter replied to Mrjeff's topic in Order of the Arrow
And here is an alternative view... https://raymondsrants.medium.com/the-issue-with-affinity-groups-985b46848796 -
Understood. We would, and do. Absolutely nothing wrong with having a recruit attend an overnighter. It is well under the umbrella of all things Scouting... they are covered by insurance, have parental permission, and must have a medical form A&B. What a wonderful way for them to get to know us, see what is expected of them, and learn about the youth... The question was really about the Cub Scout-iness of the situation.
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So, a parent of a WEBELOS just asked if his son could attend an upcoming Troop camping trip. The WEBELOS is 11 years old. His WEBELOS den is still working on AOL, with no real end goal in sight. The Scout wants to cross over and is thinking about abandoning the AOL program.... The G2SS says Cub Scouts must attend with a parent. (among other restrictions). So, given that, at any moment, this Scout could join the Troop if he wishes, he should be able to make this trip, and without a parent, correct? (nod to @qwazse, I know, I know, Rule #1 (Don’t ask for a rule, you’ll live to r
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DEI is an acronym for Don't Expect Improvement
InquisitiveScouter replied to Mrjeff's topic in Order of the Arrow
I have re-read the entire thread, and find the discourse generally civil. Here is a primer: What is not civil discourse? Being disrespectful is not engaging in civil discourse. Here are some disrespectful behaviors that are typically considered out of bounds: profanity, name-calling*, derogatory terms (stupid, ignorant…), shouting, insulting body language (such as eye-rolling), insulting tone of voice (baby talk, speaking “down” to a person), ridicule, open hostility, biting sarcasm, any other disrespectful acts or ad hominem attacks, threats, or any behavior that could get a per