MikeS72

I have downloaded this to compare with the version released prior to the online webinar many of us attended on June 16th. Before I compare it line by line, has anyone else done that and if so, are there substantial differences or is this the same document? Also, is anyone else in a council who has said that they will not (at least at this time) be offering the option for the council to hold the charter? This is dated 6/29/2022 and we were told on 6/30 that our council wouild not (at this time) serve as CO for units currently chartered by the UMC.

Cut and pasted directly from the pamphlet on scouting.org. I think that the OP is refering to the note at the bottom of page 204. (l) Using a .22 caliber rimfire rifle and shooting from a benchrest or supported prone position at 50 feet, fire five groups (three shots per group) that can be covered by a quarter. Using these targets, explain how to adjust sights to zero a rifle. (m)Adjust sights to center the group on the target* and fire five groups (five shots per group). According to the target used, each shot in the group must meet the following minimum score: (1) A-32 targets—9; (2) A-17 or TQ-1 targets—7; (3) A-36 targets—5 *NOTE: It is not always practical to adjust the sights (i.e., when using a borrowed fixed-sight rifle). For requirement 2(l), you may demonstrate your ability to use the shooting fundamentals by shooting five shot groups (five shots per group) in which all shots can be covered by or touch a quarter and then explain how to adjust the sights to zero the rifle used.

If you are refering to the UMC units; a lot. After the LDS exit the UMC became the largest charter partner in BSA. I believe I read somewhere north of 2,000 units nationwide.

In many council the Catholic Dioceses has already withdrawn from charterining units. In my council units have been told that when the current charters expire they will not be renewed. Many of us are hoping that something similar to the UMC agreement can be worked out with the Dioceses.

It appears that there are quite a few councils who do not appear to care for or support the UMC Affiliation Agreement. By the way, I noticed the noblest of creatures in your profile pic! Beaver Patrol, MT-14 1972 here!

Just sent it to you.

Units in our council have been told by the Diocese that they will no longer charter units. I have seen this happen in a number of other areas as well. Maybe local councils can re-open discussions with these Diocese using this as agreement as a model.

On page 3 of the agreement it states "Allow the unit(s) to store a reasonable amount of materials and equipment in a designated area." On page 4 under the unit responsibilities it states "Reimburse the local council for cost of insuring unit's assets and equipment". In the same section it states "Follow all local council policies and procedures regarding the management of funds. For units specific bank accounts, units will submit annual finance report and other reporting as prescribed by the local council".

We will see exactly what the information we get from council will say in relation to unit assets, but my initial thought is that it will not be much different than it is now with the charter organization being the technical owner of those assets. Just means that instead of a troop trailer being registered in the CO's name it will be registered in the name of the local council. While we will have to wait a few days for word on exactly how this will work, I cannot picture anyone being told that they must turn equipment in to be held by the council. Think of the logistical nightmare of a council trying to store hundreds of trailers and thousands of tents, chuck boxes, etc. Not to mention checking those items back out to units. They would need several new full time employees just to begin to cope with things. My hope is that they will see this model and work to offer a similar affiliate agreement rather than simply telling units that have a long tenure with their parish to go away. I am sure that some UMC chartered units will try to find a new CO, and I wish them luck in doing so if that is what they feel is best for their scouts. Having read through the affiliation agreement I don't really see much of a change in day to day operations other than the fact that unit assets will belong to the council rather than the CO and that units will have to make changes to bank accounts using the council EIN rather than the CO's.

It was made pretty clear during the webinar last night that there will be no variations of the affiliation agreement from council to council or unit to unit. As far as I understood what was presented the UMC local church and the unit can enter into this affiliation agreement with the local council taking ownership of the unit and it's assest or the unit can seek another charter organization and request a facilities use agreement. They said that they expect to sent out a link to everyone who was registered for the webinar in about a week or so with the recording of the proceedings and a FAQ answering questions that were posted last night.

This is what I said last fall was the most likely outcome of the negotiations between the UMC and BSA. I don't think that it is a stretch to think that this may be the norm in a few years and that many of the larger charter organizations will go the same route.

I would be glad to defend you. I completely understood what you were saying. Not absurd at all. If I understand everything that I have read you may have said liability backward. As I understand the insurance issue Charter Orgs were not specifically covered PRIOR to 1976, and could therefore be left holding the bag for any claims from whenever the abuse may have taken place, up to 1976.

We have an active ScoutReach program in our area, which is most definitely suburban rather than inner city.

It is good to see that they did the right thing and turned the thief away. Since it says his arrival was caught on camera there is hope he will be identified and apprehended.

Have a few of these from the early 70's around the house.

I wonder if the owners of the scrap yard can be held liable, as however the statue got there it should have been pretty evident that it did not arrive legitimately.

I brought this very thing up several years ago and was lucky to make it out of the room in one piece! Makes no sense at all to me that you can have 3 troops/packs meeting within 1 mile of each other, all struggling to draw more than a hand full of members to a meeting.

Just a few questions to help clarify things: 1. Were any of the other Scouts in the troop willing to step up and confirm what your sons told you happened, or did they all remain silent? 2. You stated earlier that the SM has been reported for similar behaviors multiple times. Did any of these incidents involve other Scouts in the troop, or were they all directed toward your son? Was there a pattern of conflict between them? 3. You also mentioned that the troop t-shirts were sold in a variety of colors. Was this event one in which each Scout wore the color they liked best, or was it one where they were all asked to wear the same color (if indeed they all have the same color)? 4. Was anything worked out during the event to allow your son to participate or was he in fact excluded? Regardless of the answers to these questions it appears as though things are pretty toxic for you and your son in this troop, and I would recommend looking elsewhere.

I would highly recommend using beascout.org to find a new troop in your area. Curious as to who may have said "he is not listening to anything" when it comes to an adult treating a child like this. (no names please) Was it the Council Scout Executive or your local District Executive? If it was the District Executive I would check the council website and look at the contact information for council staff and escalate. I would be concerned about adults who feel that is appropriate behavior continuing to work with children. I can also assure you that your son was not the only one wearing a pink shirt at that event, I saw quite a few Scouts from other units in various shades of pink. It is obviously a shirt that was obtained from the troop, so any color that they made available should have been acceptable to the SM/ASM. This evidently upset your son enough to cause him to seek assistance in the health lodge. If an adult upset my Scout to that extent we would have made the decision to leave that unit without hesitation.

I am pretty much in agreement with most of what I see you post, both as a moderator and in general, but this time I would have to disagree. Based on the totality of what the OP has said this instance does very much rise to bullying behavior, especially since this individual seems to have been reported for similar 'bad behavior at least three times. In addition to an imbalance of power having already been mentioned one of the other criteria to classify bullying is that it is repeated behavior. That repeated behavior does not have to involve the same target. The bully can target several individuals at different times, it is still bullying. There should be zero tolerance for one adult to treat a child as described, let alone two adults. As for it being a youth protection violation, bullying is very much a part of youth protection. As a matter of fact, there is a two page fact sheet on bullying included in the YPT section at scouting.org. Part of that fact sheet states the following: Contact your Scout’s unit leader or the council Scout executive. It also states: Expect the bullying to stop. Talk regularly with your Scout and with Scouting leaders to make sure it has stopped. If the bullying persists, contact the council Scout executive; and If Scout leaders are not keeping your Scout safe from being bullied, contact your local Scout executive. If your Scout executive is not available, contact the Scouts First Helpline at 1-844- SCOUTS1 (1-844-726-8871)

Ideally a ticket should be directly related to your primary role in Scouting. Cub related, Scouts BSA related, District or Council related etc.

My unit is awaiting a final decision on what will happen with UMC as a chartering organization. In the meantime, all Catholic Church chartered units in our council have been told that the church will no longer charter units effective 12/31/2022.

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As @scoutldrstated, you do not "join" OA, you are elected by the members of your troop. In order for someone to be elected, the scouts in the troop should know that person well. Were I still a youth member I would be leery of voting for someone who dual registered for no other reason than to use our troop to gain election to OA. If becoming an Arrowman means that much to you, I would either try to convince your SM that being elected to OA is not going to cause you to neglect your troop, and therefore allow an election to be held. If that cannot be accomplished you have to look at the possibility of leaving your current troop and transferring to another unit. If you choose that option, be aware that a unit may only have one election per year. I many areas those elections may have already be conducted, so you would have to wait until next election cycle, by which time the scouts in the new unit should know you well enough to decide whether or not they want to elect you. I hate to bring up the negative aspect, but understand that not all scouts who are eligible for election or who would like be elected are chosen by their troop. What ever decision you end up making, I wish you well in all of your scouting endeavors. As @scoutldrstated, you do not "join" OA, you are elected by the members of your troop. In order for someone to be elected, the scouts in the troop should know that person well. Were I still a youth member I would be leery of voting for someone who dual registered for no other reason than to use our troop to gain election to OA. If becoming an Arrowman means that much to you, I would either try to convince your SM that being elected to OA is not going to cause you to neglect your troop, and therefore allow an election to be held. If that cannot be accomplished you have to look at the possibility of leaving your current troop and transferring to another unit. If you choose that option, be aware that a unit may only have one election per year. I many areas those elections may have already be conducted, so you would have to wait until next election cycle, by which time the scouts in the new unit should know you well enough to decide whether or not they want to elect you. I hate to bring up the negative aspect, but understand that not all scouts who are eligible for election or who would like be elected are chosen by their troop. What ever decision you end up making, I wish you well in all of your scouting endeavors.

I think that is a reference to any appeals via District Court.