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  1. Found this to be interesting 

    “Girl Scouts of the USA prohibits events co-sponsored or co- branded with the Boy Scouts.”

    “Do not participate in, allow, or promote any co-sponsored or co-branded events or programs that use either Girl Scouts’ name, logo, colors, or likenesses together with Boy Scouts.
    This includes long-standing events like Scouting for Food and Pine Car Derbies.”

    Yep... screw the hungry if Boy Scouts are involved.  What a load of crap.   My sympathy for GSUSA went down a few notches...

  2. 4 minutes ago, Eagledad said:


    This may be the motivation for the GSUSA to push a more outdoor program. Both programs are getting away from the original design of building future ethical and moral leaders. It may turn into a race to attract the best outdoor after school program. Ironically, family scouting might have an advantage.


    most of the girls in my daughter’s school that are in GSUSA have no desire to do the outdoor program.  They sign up for the STEM, arts and crafts aspect. Sure ... glamping is of some interest but definitely not HA.  When signing up for summer camp the GSUSA camp about fashion was sold out and had a waiting list... that wasn’t the case for the more outdoor focused camps.  I’m sure they will increase their outdoor offerings to help stem losses to BSA but from what I see on the ground at our school the actual Troops and girls will focus on STEM and arts/crafts and going to museums.   Not sure about other schools.  

  3. @Treflienne

    You are probably right. My only thought is that BSA will not drop the use of Scouts and in the end, even if they are forced to change to BSA Scouts instead of Scouts BSA the confusion will remain.

     I did notice that my daughter (who is in both) has been seeing a lot of language from GSUSA about the power of G.I.R.L.s.  Emphasize on the girl vs scout.   Perhaps they are looking for a payout while keeping the name unchanged.

  4. 9 hours ago, Treflienne said:


    And we actually have a really simple situation with scouting in this country.  Compare it with France.  According to wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scouting_and_Guiding_in_France )


    I wouldn’t be shocked if BSA/GSUSA settle and BSA helps fund a name change of GSUSA to Girl Guides USA.  Regardless of the name BSA chooses there could be confusion and GSUSA will want to differentiate.  Could be a big marketing refresh of their program and I don’t see BSA losing the term scouts.  Who knows, will be interesting to watch.  

  5. From FB Post

    The following is an official statement from the BSA's National Council. Please be aware that any comments to the media should be made by the National or local Councils only. If you receive any media inquiries, please route them to PR@scouting.org. 

    “We just became aware of the lawsuit filed in the Southern District Court of New York, and we are reviewing it carefully.

    “Our decision to expand our program offerings for girls came after years of requests from families who wanted the option of the BSA’s character - and leadership-development programs for their children – boys and girls. We believe that we owe it to our current and future members to offer families the options they want.”

    “We applaud every organization that builds character and leadership in children, including the Girl Scouts of the USA, and believe that there is an opportunity for both organizations to serve girls and boys in our communities.”

    On background:

    • The Boy Scouts of America has served girls in our programs since 1971 through Sea Scouts,
    Venturing and Exploring; in fact, there are currently over 170,000 girls registered in Boy Scout of
    America programs.

    • In the time since we’ve welcomed both boys and girls in Cub Scouts, over 62,000 girls have registered underscoring families’ interest in the programs offered by the Boy Scouts of America.

    • We take the brand and trademark of all organizations seriously and have worked proactively to differentiate our unique program offerings. Any time we have been made aware of an instance of potential confusion around our programs, we immediately took steps to correct and clarify."

  6. This is 2 weeks old... but is probably still directionally correct 

    Rank. Council - Total Girls -  Southern Region
    1. Central Florida - 2,323
    2. Circle Ten - 2,221
    3. Atlanta Area - 1,549
    4. Northeast Georgia - 1,185
    5. Sam Houston Area - 1,108
    6. Great Smoky Mountain - 720
    7. North Florida - 709
    8. Quapaw Area - 575
    9. Heart of Virginia - 569
    10. Last Frontier - 533
    11. Alamo Area - 482
    12. Flint River - 479
    13. Capitol Area - 478
    14. Greater Tampa Bay Area - 464
    15. Longhorn - 461
    16. Lincoln Heritage - 407
    17. Palmetto - 324
    18. Golden Spread - 297
    19. Daniel Boone - 284
    20. Northwest Georgia - 278
    21. Indian Nations - 259
    22. Westark Area - 246
    23. Chattahoochee - 241
    24. Piedmont - 238
    25. Southeast Louisiana - 233

  7. Agreed.  For those of us in the Midwest... we don’t have vast options of wilderness to choose from to really get away.  BWCA is our Philmont/Sea Base/Summit.   BWCA is our Rocky Mountains.  BWCA is our Olympic NP.   BWCA is our Acadia.  I was always glad it wasn’t a NP as it helped keep vast hordes of tourists out... but now I wonder if that was a mistake.

    I’m sure there is a chance this could be done without damaging the environment but why risk it.  We have enough copper and nickel to avoid mining this area.

  8. 38 minutes ago, FireStone said:

    I kind of always assumed that most Packs had their "official" roster of leadership positions and then there was the "unofficial" one that was closer to reality. CM is also a DL, DL works with more than one Den, etc.

    In my Pack (and I suspect a lot of Packs) there would just not be any way to sustain the program without some multi-position overlap. Does that go against what the BSA says we are supposed to do? Sure. But the alternative is that we have Dens without DLs or we don't have a CM.

    Agreed.  When I hit the online recharter process it becomes a bit of a game of how to adjust my actual leadership structure into the BSA requirements.  For example, I have a great den leader who is also Cubmaster.  If I followed BSA I would either have a weaker Cubmaster or a weaker den leader.  Yes, ideally I have competent parents tripping over themselves volunteering.   I don’t, so we run the pack with the leadership we have (always looking for more), following YPT and adjusting our charter renewal to match requirements.

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  9. 7 hours ago, qwazse said:

    If I were SM (and maybe this is why I never was), I would send a letter to the SE asking that the AoL of these Webelos be denied because they did not camp with the troop and therefore did not complete the requirements as written.  I'd cc the parents.

    Ahh.... that would be fun... which is why I write out some emails and just send them to the delete bin.  😀

    Camping with a Troop is no longer required for scouting adventure or AOL.  Only an outdoor activity.  One could argue they didn’t follow the patrol method.  However, if you did take that path I think it could make the situation worse as the existing leadership would point to a “disgruntled ex leader” and deflect blame.  In the end, I see silently leaving as a louder statement.   

    FYI.... not to derail this thread.

    1. With your Webelos den leader, parent, or guardian, participate in a Boy Scout troop's campout or other outdoor activity. Use the patrol method while on the outing.
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  10. Sorry to hear how it finished but I agree it is better to leave a bit early than too late.  Good to hear you had a replacement ready.

    Hey, as far as other things to do, Would you be interested in serving as a FOS Chair for another pack in your state??  👍😀  Our committee meetings are at a German Bierhaus and we would cover the first round!


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  11. @Eagledad

    I would be with you if this was straight up bullying if this wasn’t borderline sexual assault.  That is not an emotional statement, that is a simple truth based on what is described.  Having a scout decide to give up SPL seems incredibly minor given what occurred. 

    Sexual assault covers a wide range of unwanted behaviors—up to but not including penetration—that are attempted or completed against a victim's will or when a victim cannot consent because of age, disability, or the influence of alcohol or drugs. Sexual assault may involve actual or threatened physical force, use of weapons, coercion, intimidation, or pressure and may include— 

    • Intentional touching of the victim's genitals, anus, groin, or breasts.

  12. This was a border line call to the police to report the SPL.   The only reason I wouldn’t was that it was a single occurrence and his underwear was on. Given that, I think a call to your SE is appropriate.  It was a group of scouts... yes non scouting... but  it doesn’t lessen the impact of the action.  The council can decide if the SPL should be dismissed.   If you don’t report it and this gets out... I think some may question your Troop’s leadership.  If the SPL does this again and then the council hears you had an earlier issue you didn’t report... your scouting membership could be at risk.  At this point, given his actions, I wouldn’t want to put my own scouting membership on the line by not reporting. Just my opinion... I know this isn’t a black and white situation.  

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  13. On 10/12/2018 at 9:24 PM, Eagle1993 said:

    50,093 girls are now registered 

    5,994 Lions;  8,990 Tigers; 19,362 Wolves and Bears; 15,747 Webelos.

    Pace slowed a bit this week. I’ll be curious to see more October numbers.  

    Latest report is 53139 girls... so only 3000 more in one week.   What I found interesting is that the southern region reported their numbers as 23,089 with Central Florida leading the way with 2,300 girls.  I wonder what is unique in the Southern Region for them to have such a large percentage of total girls.  Any ideas ... yes, I know to be suspicious of any recruiting numbers... but if correct any idea what is going on in the South vs the other regions?

  14. 4 hours ago, WisconsinMomma said:

    It appears that one of the posts about criteria for choosing women who are rich and good cooks and seeing a woman working in a field and saying "that'll do" have been removed.  I don't see those posts on this thread anymore, but they were here, and that's what prompted my replies.

    Now my mansplaining take...I took that post as a bit of tongue in cheek, especially after further clarifications from @qwazse.  He does go “off the reservation” from time to time (like most of us) but I don’t think it was fully along the lines of find yourself a rich maid.  Quips don’t all translate to Internet forums well.  

    I took it as find a good life partner that will be willing to do their share of work in the marriage.  That other attributes may not be the best to go on.   Perhaps there is a bit of an assumption of what roles in marriage each should take, but that is something that should be understood before going in. If someone believes and wants their wife to cook, that is fine as long as both partners recognize that and agree before entering marriage.  

    My quips to youth now focus on recommendations of keeping detailed calendars and limiting social media for our future leaders...talk about a mine field.

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  15. 8 hours ago, Saltface said:

    Not to pour gas on the fire, but I don’t see how a computer system could glitch like that.

    An incompetent user, sure. 

    Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus, maybe. 

    A software bug or hardware error somehow successfully submits a youth application, highly suspect.  

    I agree.  You can not submit an online app without paying.  The online invitation manager is separate.  I don’t see how this could be a glitch...

  16. 11 minutes ago, walk in the woods said:

    For our council roundup night we were told, regardless of whether your pack is accepting girls or not, regardless of whether you have the 5 minimum or not, register all girls and take their parent's money.  District/Council will find them a place.  I have no idea how many might have been affected as we had 0 girls show up.

    Family packs have no minimum number of girls.   Where does the 5 come from?

  17. @Buggie Did you submit request for more info through beascout.org?  I have seen a few requests come in from that but what is odd is that it only generates a lead in the online system, not an application.  Someone in your council must have manually converted your lead into an application.   They appear to be totally separate systems (leads and applications) online.  

    One suggestion, log onto my.scouting.org and see if you have anything under the Youth Profile.  My son was a paper app and nothing is there for him.  My daughter was an online app and her profile appears.  Just a guess (based on my experience), but if this was simply an online app mistake I would think you would see her under your profile.  If someone in council printed out your lead and made it into a paper app it may not show up.  

  18. Recruiting season is wrapping up this year.  We have over 90 Scouts registered, I expect several will drop and we will end up in the mid 80s.  (We have some casual scouts and we have made the change to strictly enforce advancement requirements.  Our Pack had a long history of handing our ranks and our current leadership has decided to change that... so we expect some to drop.) We currently have 18 girls in our Pack and it varies greatly by age.  Our largest pack size in the last 10+ years was 74... so we are definitely up even excluding Lions which is by far our smallest den.

    We are now pulling in girls and a boy from other schools who’s Packs have decided to stay boy only.  The girls are easy to explain but there was a boy as well.  The boy was best friends with a girl and they wanted to be in the same Pack. 

    We have received no negative feedback from parents.  There are a few that said they are “interested” in seeing how the dynamics change (if they do).   One dad said his son had threatened to quit if we added girls but now wants to keep participating.  One girl (young) actually asked why there were boys in the Pack.  Otherwise it is a non (or at least limited) issue in our Pack. 

    One of my leaders was talking to a parent of a girl who recently joined and explained that he was concerned that we might negatively impact GSUSA.  The parent said that without our Pack her daughter would have no scouting available as the GSUSA Troop collapsed when no parents wanted to volunteer.... and other Troops were difficult to join.  Strong GSUSA Troops will be fine in our school, but we are there for those without a scouting home.

    Next up recharter.  It will be interesting to see if there is more attrition than in the past. 

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  19. 1 hour ago, Eagledad said:

    Call the DE or Committee Commissioner, explain the situation and ask if they know of a troop that can loan a couple of tents, stoves and cooking equipment. There may even be a Chartering Organization with a defunct troop looking to move their equipment. 


    Definitely a good idea.  We had a local Troop run a service project once where they colllected old camping gear from the scouting community.  These could be individually owned or old Troop equipment.  The scouts then setup and tested the equipment and donated the usable items to new or struggling Troops.   I thought this  as a great idea as there is a lot of equipment gathering dust.  

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