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  1. 20 hours ago, TAHAWK said:

    while ignoring the several orders of magnitude greater rates of civilian-on-civilian homicides, typically of like-on-like. 

    I've seen this comment repeated by many (especially on Facebook).  You may be talking about the Antifa protestors, which could be true, but this does not apply to the Black lives protestors.  Who is ignoring the other homicides?  Many of the protestors are from inner city churches who also march after murders.  Others run or work with non profits who are working with youth in the inner city (from Boys & Girls clubs to many others).    I question people who think that few in the community are not attempting to help.  I have personally donated time and money to organizations in the inner city near me and see that people are not ignoring the problem.  

    I think anyone in this thread who are against the police reform  and would rather help community organizations helping to reduce civilian-on-civilian homicides could donate their time/money to many worthy causes.  You could also help a Troop or Cub Scout pack start up (or Trail Life unit).   For example, here is a list of organizations out of Chicago.  Most cities have many different organizations working on violence prevention.

    https://abc7chicago.com/stop-the-violence-resources-chicago-in/3894299/

    I would ask … when you look at this list, how could you claim that they are "... ignoring the several orders of magnitude greater rates of civilian-on-civilian homicides...".  Most if not all of those organizations' primary focus has nothing to do with police violence.  When I see this type of comment, it is as ignorant as saying all NASCAR fans are racist since a noose was found in Bubba Wallace's garage.

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  2. 26 minutes ago, cocomax said:

    They are putting up statues of  Vladimir Lenin.

    CHAZ changed their name to CHOP to reflect their desire to start CHOPing off the heads of their enemies.

     

     

    Did they just put up the Lenin status, or are you talking about this one (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Lenin_(Seattle)) that was put up in the mid 1990s.  

    I had to look it up, but it appears CHOP stands for Capital Hill Occupied Protest.  Not sure if it also means CHOP heads of their enemies and how many heads they have actually literally chopped off … you may have more info about that.  I have no idea why Seattle doesn't shut that down … seems like it has gotten completely out of control.


  3. 16 hours ago, Merlyn_LeRoy said:

    But this is advertised as being only GCAUX and Sea Scouts as its official youth program.  Anyone looking into the Sea Scouts will see that you have to follow the DRP, and the government can't require that to join their youth program.

    I expect you are correct … and I doubt the BSA has enough money or will to fight another lawsuit.  In reality, I don't think it would have any day to day impact on the Sea Scouts, so I doubt BSA would fight hard.  You could probably send them a strongly worded letter on a law firm letter head and see the change later this year.


  4. 2 hours ago, Mrjeff said:

    We are mandated to have both male and female leadership

    Male leadership is never required, you can have 2 female leaders for an all boy Troop.

    The only gender requirement we face is the fact that BSA mandates a female leader is present if girl participant is present.

    2 hours ago, Mrjeff said:

    if we have LGBTQ members present, by reason there must be LGBTQ adult leadership, so should it be male, female, or transgender

    LGBTQ leaders are not required.  Simply look at the application.  If they selected "boy" then 2 adult leaders any gender.  If they selected "girl" then at least 1 adult leader must be female.  Sexual orientation of youth participants does not play a factor in the gender requirements for adult leader.

     


  5. I expect in many areas, school will utilize virtual learning full or part time through the fall and possibly spring.  It is very possible the cases continue to grow and restrictions could return this fall and winter.  I'm looking at summer camp as simply an oasis in the middle of the pandemic.  Get the scouts out of the house and provide them an opportunity to do some scouting with their patrol & Troop. 

    Yes, it is not traditional summer camp, but we haven't camped since Klondike (February) and due to local rules would struggle to do so this summer. We've lost out on multiple backpacking overnights, a couple of camp outs, a white water kayaking trip and 2 crews to Philmont.  The fall camporee was already cancelled and I have a bad feeling about Klondike.  We attempted to setup other camping trips but state parks are not an option.  In addition to summer camp, we are working to quickly get an short trip to BWCA to make up for Philmont.   

    My ASM was down on our summer camp plans as well, but I emphasized that he should look at what is being offered vs what is not.  This maybe one of our last opportunity to camp until next spring or summer. 


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    52 minutes ago, fred8033 said:

    It is the worst of closed minded intolerance to destroy art, statues and rename the past. 

    I'm not arguing for removing the statue in this case, but toppling statues is a long known symbolic move to show the end of an era.  I think there is a difference between statues in a museum (focus on art, history) vs out in public parks and squares (which adds sense of honor and reverence).  I'm not sure how many Hitler, Saddam Hussain or Stalin statues are or should be floating around in public parks.  You can find Nazi flags in museums but I haven't seen many on display in public parks.  

    For now, it seems like a good idea to take it out of public to protect it (otherwise it could be vandalized/destroyed).  Longer term I think it should return to a public place as I haven't seen anything about B-P that would mean we shouldn't continue to honor his life.  

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  7. Mediator team now set.

    Kevin J. Carey … Timothy Gallagher and Paul Finn on the mediation panel, with Judge Silverstein ruling out one of the Boy Scouts' choices to serve on the panel as a group of insurers raised concerns about potential conflicts of interest involving his selection.

    "What we are looking for is true neutrality," Judge Silverstein said.

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    The Boy Scouts have 275 sex abuse claims pending against the parent organization as well as more than 1,000 additional claims against nondebtor local scouting councils and individual charter organizations that are in various stages of review, according to the Boy Scouts' first-day declaration

    Read more at: https://www.law360.com/articles/1280789/ex-del-bankruptcy-judge-to-join-boy-scouts-mediation-panel?copied=1

     

     

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  8. On 6/5/2020 at 11:53 AM, TMSM said:

    Our camp (Freeland Leslie) is open and we have 25 scouts signed up. They will be kept in groups (cohorts) of 40 and be moved to a new section depending on the day. Limited MBs, no leaving camp site, adults must follow and stay with scouts during the day.

    We are headed there as well (Week 3) and have 22 scouts attending.  While I prefer their standard program, its great they are finding a way to get scouts out of the house, have aquatics and shooting sports options while reducing some Covid-19 risks.  We held a meeting with our scouts and so far no one has changed their plans to attend.  

    I expect this will be the year of partial MBs but almost anything will be an improvement over looking at more zoom call video feeds.

    https://threefirescouncil.org/programs-2/camp-freeland-leslie/

     

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  9. 3 hours ago, InquisitiveScouter said:

    That might exactly be why they did it last year, to shield it from a bankruptcy liquidation order.  If the judge thinks this was the case, they may still order it liquidated free and clear.

    Bankruptcy courts can see through these maneuvers if they are simply meant to protect assets from bankruptcy.  

    https://www.wisn.com/article/court-milwaukee-archdiocese-cemetery-trust-fund-not-off-limits-in-bankruptcy-case/6325780#

     


  10. 41 minutes ago, elitts said:

    I suspect this is simply a hopeful delusion.  Lawyers have been trying to do this same thing with Catholic diocese for the last decade or so and still haven't managed to pierce that veil.  And i don't think anyone would argue that the Vatican has control over the assignment of priests and bishops.

    I would agree, just found it interesting that BSA's prior arguments in courts are being used against them in this case.

    I think this is why mediation has a chance.  The plaintiff lawyers realize they will probably lose this argument, so their alternate option will be going state by state and suing every individual council.  If they can settle all at once, it could be a higher return on their investment. 

    Now, that assumes councils pony up and the BSA can offer a large payout.  If BSA's offer is too small, then the lawyers will pull as many assets as possible from National and then go state by state over the next 5 - 10 years suing councils into bankruptcy.  


  11. 20 minutes ago, Eagledad said:

    More likely Philmont was just stuck waiting for the state to make decisions on public openings and has ran out of time to have the camp ready.

    Barry

    Agreed, but an open Philmont would have generated positive cash for BSA.  Now that cash flow is gone, I'm concerned they will access debt against it or worse case sell it.

    Hopefully not.


  12. Given that Philmont is now the only closed BSA HA base, and BSA needs cash immediately, do they sell it off this fall?  I hope not … but I'm' starting to get a bit concerned thinking that 2019 may have been the last year of Philmont Treks.  

    Edit: Or perhaps, my optimistic thought, they can just exercise lines of credit against Philmont to get cash.


  13. 2 hours ago, RememberSchiff said:

    Various mediator candidates are now coming forward or being recommended by one or more parties for consideration.

    All certainly have experience and strengths, but yesterday Kenneth Feinberg threw his hat in the ring. You may recall that he was special master of the Sept 11 Victim Compensation Fund!

    https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/823120_773.pdf

    https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/823118_772.pdf

     

    He also did the BP Oil Spill and many, many others. I would think he would be a good choice and has a lot of experience setting up a process on how to determine what each individual gets out of the victims fund.  

    He also helped in the NY Archdiocese Sex Abuse fund … 

    https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/65-n-y-archdiocese-sex-abuse-vics-apply-compensation-article-1.2917953

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  14. 1 hour ago, HelpfulTracks said:

    When I first heard "Sacred Cows" Philmont ran through my mind. It usually generates a good deal of revenue, but two of the last three Summers have been decimated by fire and Coivd. Though I think the outcry and rage would be so significant that the loss of support would outweigh any value gained. 

     

    • Place Philmont and other high Adventure Bases in independent Trust

    Im sure there a plenty more I could think of if I gave it more than a few minutes thought. But bringing Scouting back to what it used to be, volunteer based would make sense.

    My question is how will the BSA generate enough cash to pay without selling off some or all HA bases? 

    Settlements in the Catholic Church for sex abuse range from $300K per plaintiff to >$1M per.  Given est. 4,000 plaintiffs that would be at least $1.2B … before any other costs (resolving other debts, etc.).  Where is the BSA going to get at least $1.2B?  Expect the lawyers to push for far more.  I would be extremely sad but I don't see many paths that avoid selling off High Adventure bases (all of them).

    Perhaps they do sell Philmont to an independent trust as mentioned above who provides full market value to the victims fund.  Then that trust charges trek fees to help pay down the debt generated + costs + improvements.  Similar questions for other HA bases.


  15. It's good to see that they are giving us early notice through 2022.  I expect councils, summer camp and High Adventure bases (that remain) will jack up their fees as well. 

    One would think the charges would be a bit reversed (ie, new scouts, a $25 discount).   New scouts are already buying uniforms, books, patches, etc... so adding an additional fee for them doesn't make sense.


  16. There has been a lot of discussion on various BSA groups about ending all youth programs at 18 (OA, Venturing, Sea Scouts).  One part of the discussion is the thought that BSA will be reintroducing Rover Scouts.  In fact, several individuals have stated that councils have already started pilots (example below … their Facebook page started ~January 2019).

    https://tidewaterbsa.com/districts/rovers/

    It sounds like Rover Scouts are common internationally and seem to provide a lot of leadership for those scouting organizations.  Does any know how Rover scouts tie into units or are they completely separate groups.  Just wondering how they functional in the international scout organizations as I do believe we have simply ignored scouts (outside of a few examples) once they turn 18 and simply hope they return once they have kids in scouting age.  So, if true, this seems like a great idea if implemented well.

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  17. Even high adventure can be done at a lower cost when not through BSA (which I think uses it as a profit center).  When we go to BWCA we never go through Northern Tier (too expensive).

    The good news is that our insurance rates should drop a ton after bankruptcy.  With no assets left, the lawyers would have nothing to sue to obtain.  Will we see fees drop back down with the reduction in insurance costs?


  18. Interesting quotes from the USA article.

    Councils are already selling camp land and expect that to accelerate due to Covid-19

    In a statement, Boy Scouts said that it is aware of the concerns but that the councils must balance their assets with other financial obligations. 

    "This has come into even greater focus due to the wide-ranging impacts of the global pandemic and social distancing measures. In these unprecedented times, councils may need to take prudent measures to monetize their assets in order to preserve the mission of Scouting," the statement said. 

    At least one Plaintiff lawyers seems convinced they will get to the councils through National

    Paul Mones, who represents about 400 survivors, said he successfully argued in various state courts that Boy Scouts made clear in the landmark Supreme Court case Boy Scouts of America v. Dale that it had explicit control over the approval of scoutmasters and assistant scoutmasters and thus local organizations.

    “The Boy Scouts of America without a doubt controls the councils,” Mones said. “There are a sufficient number of courts that have said there is that control there because if you can control the sexual orientation of the scoutmaster, you control the Boy Scouts.”

     

     

    The mediation will be critical and hopefully they can come to an agreement while still preserving the core of BSA.

     

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