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Maps are only good if: - They are accurate - They show all hazards - The user knows how to use them - You have all the gear you need to get from Point A to Point B safely and timely.

Don't know exactly why other than these Venturing units wanting to stay in Venturing and away from "all the crap in Boy Scouts". His words.

So have the Scout call or email the the SM a week or so in advance. Problem solved.

Must be different where I live. At RT last night four LDS unit said they were folding and didn't expect their scouts to "move" anywhere but on to other things.

How. That's three long camps.

No. They should just learn how to run a professional organization where you update your documentation when you make a program change. If it's going to take years to clean that up, national should expect people to be confused and disgruntled.

Easy...the PLC has a second activity for the younger scouts or they have the younger scouts use the tools they are allowed to.

They count only one summer camp to keep Scouts from making their 20 nights for the Camping MB at just summer camp and a few monthly camp outs. It's the same reason OA only counts one camp. Scouting is about being outside.

We are keeping them in both books. Guys that didn't finish first class by 2017 have to use the new requirements, but we still sign off on both books...just in case.

I'd rlike n the questions past the district camping chairman.

For the day, yes. Overnight, no. This is a great guide to remind leaders who can do what. http://www.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/34416_Insert_Web.pdf

MyPack/SOAR has a ton of communications and automated features for managing your Pack.

I lived in the NE and we tent camped year around. We didn't have all the high tech gear out now. Long underwear and layers. No one died. Didn't cabin camp once. I wonder what has changed.

This is asinine thinking on bsa's part. You don't alienate your key membership in the HOPE of opening up a new membership category. It's ten times more expensive to attain new customers than it is to retain existing ones. That's Business 101 that any MBA student would learn. Heck, any BA Business student would learn that. If bsa is thinking like this their thinking is fundamentally flawed.

@@NJCubScouter, while not new issues (memebership and revenue loss), the loss of lds is probably the most significant loss in memory.

It's a BSA activity, no? Again, why do we believe one quote of a doc that says one thing but not the other quote in the SAME doc? The Gtss says "patrol activity" but an eagle project is clearly not that. It's a bsa activity so it would require an adult.

If you read further in that same document you'll come to this bit on page 39, it's the bsa sweet 16. The first part says: Qualified Supervision. Every BSA activity should be supervised by a conscientious adult who understands and knowingly accepts responsibility for the well-being and safety of the children and youth in his or her care. The supervisor should be sufficiently trained, experienced, and skilled in the activity to be confident of his or her ability to lead and teach the necessary skills and to respond effectively in the event of an emergency. Field knowledge of all applicable B

@@RememberSchiff, I read that "inconvient truth" line and all I could think of was Manbearpig. That may be a generational reference so I'm sorry. It think there's a difference between the changes made to bsa's program historcally and the changes made recently. With 70% of your customers being associated with religious institutions, and the largest being lds, one doesn't change their product without addressing their needs. One thing is certain, bsa has an ivory tower mentality, lead by clueless execs who are far too entrenched in their own bureaucracy to care about what goes on outsi

Welll if bsa doesn't replace all the members and revenue they've lost as a result of these changes, the on they've lost. No company makes changes that loses revenue AND customers to its flag ship product to focus ona less productive and unknown product. That's just bad business. But I do admit bsa is likely so stupid as to believe such anplanncould work.

You do if the bsa guidelines require someone trained to be someplace to support unit activities.

If you believe that I've got some swamp land...

Check out the guide to advancement. I believe the minimum number is three.

Ah read the quote above. It's considered a unit event so the BSA requires the same adult coverage they would for any unit event. Our district insists on this too. The adults can stand around as usual but you can't have 16 year olds using chainsaws. The unit lead needs to make sure Sweet 16 and Tools Guidelines are followed. Yes the candidate leads, just like youth at Philmont lead...but they don't hit the trail alone, do they?

Do these leaders perhap mean that a trained leader must be present?

Of course, if the boys were doing what they're supposed to do, like in my mixed age patrol troop, the new kids would be welcomed and learning. Don't throw out the model just because some people don't know how to implement it.