Eagle94-A1

What about 2020 or thereafter? And that is a serious question too. Let's face it BSA made the decision to go coed before the town halls were even announced. They had literature in the works and published in July 2017 that used gender neutral language. And Surbaugh's experience has been in Exploring/Venturing. As a former pro, I can tell you that being an Exploring/Venturing exec is a very limiting field for promotions.

After I posted about the troop elections and how good it felt, Oldest relayed to me an incident with one of the Scouts who did not get elected. Long story short, The Scout ran for SPL, ASPL, and PL against my son, and lost all three elections. Now I noticed he was quite red in the face, and looked like his eyes were bloodshot after the elections and at the end of the meeting. He has a history of crying, and I thought that was the case. Apparently that was not the case. Son told me he was extremely ticked off, made some smartaleck comments, refused to shake my son's hand when he offered it, ignored the entire patrol, and gave my son some negative vibes the rest of the meeting that made him uncomfortable to the point that he is going to talk to the SM about the situation next week. He has not picked his APL yet, but Son told me he was encouraged to think about having this Scout as his APL. Son didn't respond to that encouragement, but told me and his mother that after the way the Scout treated him and the patrol after the election, if he is forced to have the Scout as his APL, he will quit the troop. And that action is not something he has considered seriously with all the previous issues he and I have had with the troop. I discussed the matter briefly with Oldest. Reminded him that the Scout is now at a point in his Scouting career where he needs a POR for advancement, and APL will not count. So if he is encouraged to make the Scout his APL, that would be a valid, and tactful way of appointing who he wants. Plus I think the conversation with the SM will help too. In all honesty, my son ran for PL because he did not think the Scout would be a good PL. He is bossy, knows it all, smart alecky, and has not been dependable in the past. And I know many Scouts do agree with my son's assessment of the Scout because he has never held elected office before. In the past I have tried to talk to him,and it is like talking to a brick wall. He only listens to his dad who is also an ASM.

Ok I'm bragging one of my Scouts, one I've had since Tigers was elected SPL tonite. He's overcome some personal challenges, and I think convinced his peers that despite those challenges, he can get the job done. Another one of my Scouts who I have known for a long time ran for ASPL and lost. Listening to him speak and talk about how he has made mistakes, grew from them, and changed since first joining really hit home for me. He had the grace to concede the loss, and took it very well. He lost to another Scout who has faced some severe personal challenges, and needs Scouting now more than ever. Seeing him step up to the plate was heartwarming. But the best came last. Both my sons in the troop were running for PL of their respective patrols, and won. Further the Younger of the completed his First Class BOR, and can now go on the trip he's been wanting to do for a year now, the AT. Seeing these kids grow, mature, and complete goals is why I love Scouting.

1/2 of my book went for a swim on a canoe trip. Thankfully I had the 1/2 with my advancement records, and I made a copy of those "just in case." Turned out I needed those copies.

Upon reflection, go to the SM and/or CC. I was thinking of the situation my oldest was in a few months back where one of the ASMs was "commenting" on his performance as SPL in front of several Scouts and adults.1) Praise in public and criticize in private and 2) what was being commented on may be what the troop has done but is not how things are suppose to be done. Thankfully SM was there and broke up the "conversation" between the ASM and my son, and between the two of us. Thinking about it, CM seems to be jealous that your son was thought highly enough by his peers to be PL and not his son.I'm in the same situation. The ASM above is jealous that my oldest has been elected to both PL and SPL 2 times each now, but his sons have not held elected office yet. Keeps commenting about how his oldest will be the first Eagle he knows of to never hold SPL. And it is going to get interesting tonite. His younger son is running for SPL, ASPL, and PL. He was running unopposed for PL, and about to be automatically named PL, when my son jumped in the race because he feels the Scout is not ready for the job. Knowing the ASM, he's ticked.

As Calico and David said, this is a completely different issue now. Definitely need a polite and civil chat with the CM. If things still don't work out then SM/CC need to get involved. I had to deal with parents resenting one set of Scouts because their sons have not been elected. I'm polite and courteous. But do not mess with my sons.

When did the Brotherhood Hike become mandatory? Back when I received Brotherhood, it didn't exist. Sometime in the late 1990s or early 2000s it became an option or a recommendation. If I had to take a guess, they took it our in 2015 when the new Brotherhood Ceremony came out.

We have a very similar problem. CM is out of line. He is NOT registered with the troop, and has no authority over the Scouts. If there is no SPL, then the PL needs to got to the SM and discuss the matter with him. SM and CC need to have a discussion with the CM and nip the problems, i.e. CM's son camping with him, jumping on the PL's case when the son is not doing his fair share of the work, etc NOW or they will get worse.

That's because National is changing the rules, and it appears that it is to accommodate the girls. Since August 1, 1989, there has not been a gender requirement for any registered volunteer position, whether working with Boy Scouts, Sea Scouts, Explorers, Cub Scouts, Varsity Scouts, or Venturers. For those coed groups you needed any female over 21. They did not need to be registered however. Now you need a the CM or ACM to be female AND a female DL or ADL for each girl den. But no such requirement exists for fro a MAle CM or ACM and Male DL or ADL for a male den.

Found the video where National says there are no changes for all boy dens. 5:40 mark is the slide. screen capture below the link.

While not mentioned in the video, it is in the PowerPoint that went out back in December/January. I posted a screen capture of the slide stating that a registered female DL or ADL will be required for an all girl den, but a male DL or ADL is not required for an all boy den. In fact someone on FB asked why a male DL or ADL is not required for an all boy den prior to comments being shut off. If I can find the link tot he other thread with the screen capture, I'll post.

According to all the stuff provided to EA packs, the answer "NO." That is why I keep saying BSA has begun a double standard. Id doesn't matter if no males are with the boys, but a female MUST be with the girls. Why i am also concerend about "Linked Troops" meeting and camping together, no female no meeting or camping

Every bottle, whether Gatorade or Nalgene must be properly clean and sanitized in order to be reused.

Have not seen the new YPT2 training, but if it using the policies that the EA Cub Scout dens are following, and as reported by others who met with a national level person and asked about this, then YES, meetings with girls present will also require a registered female over 21 in attendance. Why I do not like the double standard that 2 females can work with all male dens, but not two males.

With the exception on 18-20 year old ASMs, who can only register as ASM or Unit Scouter Reserve, they need to camp. We have a troop locally that has 2 adults with health issues, and they go on camp outs. They may stay in a camper, but they are there.

Nalgene is out of my budget. But my middle son has one he won. Aluminum is OK. Had a canteen for years out of aluminum. But it is heavy. Reusing Gatorade et al bottles is enviromentally friendly, cheap, and comes with a drink

I have recycled Gatorade and Powerade bottles for years. Moved up to reusing Life Wtr bottles because A) 2 of their bottles will fit in a single pocket on my pack and B) my filer can attach to the bottle.

https://www.scoutshop.org/totin-chip-pocket-certificate-single-34397.html $0.19 each What I find hilarious is that it is now a restricted item requiring paperwork

I agree taking out a knife and damaging an expensive piece of electronics would be overkill. But I have seen people do it nonetheless. That is the parents' choice. But cutting a corner of a $0.19 card that can be easily replaced when re-earned is a completely different story IMHO 1) Thank you for your sevice. 2) we will have to agree to disagree. I cannot see you can compare cutting corners to true hazing.

Considering I know who wrote that comment on the blog and heard him talk about it, I can tell you it was made to show how BSA policies and literature is constantly changing, contradictory and confusing. One BSA official document, Bryan's Blog, is NOT stating that the practice of cutting corners of TOTIN" CHIP ( emphasis) is being denied. And many Packs use those policies in absence of specific Cub Scout ones, or to help Webelos transition to Boy Scouts. But then a change is made in another BSA document, 2017 BALOO Syllabus, stating that you cannot cut corners on Whittling Chip. As a former trainer, I can see where all these constant changes can cause confusion, especially for former Cub Scout leaders who are now Boy Scouters and are still following Cub Scout policies and not Boy Scout policies. I just checked out the current ITOLS syllabus, and no prohibition on cutting corners is in there. Regarding cutting corners as a form of hazing, please explain to me how talking to a Scout about a minor infraction and cutting a corner to serve as a reminder to do better is hazing? I admit singing for lost items is pushing it IMHO, but anyone who has been a pledge for a fraternity/sorority knows what hazing truly is. Anyone who has been to a service academy, or been through boot camp knows what hazing truly is. Cutting corners is not hazing.

It probably will.. But I forgot to mention the other reason for not switching, which is also the #1 reason, their friends. They do not want to leave them behind, even though they both have friends in that troop. They know it's on the table, but both want to try and change the troop from the inside. Last night's announcement got the middle son to run for PL, and after some consideration, oldest is running for PL again.

Looks like we have an answer, someone is making it up.

Good question. 1 troop does high priced activities. 1 troop is closed until they have openings. 1 troop is LDS. 1 troop just folded and 1 troop that is in worse shape than us just got one of the reasons why the troop folfed joining theirs. And after camping with them last month, they are not a fit for my boys. That troop left early due to rain. This led to a domino effect: they started packing up, causing a most of the Webelos to pack up. My youngest was willing to stay until it got to the point that it was me and him camping by ourselves. He went home with mom. and I stayed with older 2. There is 1 troop that has a rep as fundraising heavy. But otherwise is very Scout led. Challenge with them is their pack folded, and they are slowly dying.

Let's not go there. She is already trying to maintain leverage in a financial way, and it's about to come to a head with the pack and the IH. Yes you are being too optimistic. Let's face it, troops not following BSA policy and procedures are part of the reason why we now have 'Family Scouting." And I know of one troop's proposed way of getting around not having female Scouters on a camp out: calling it a family camp out. And that is part of the double standard. A female over 21 could take out a group of boys with an 18 year old male. Canceling once is fine, and understandable. Heck we canceled a trip 2 hours before leaving. One Scouter having a back injury a week before the trip dropped it down to 2 Scouters. Then at the last minute one Scouter has to bail due to emergency surgery. But I can tell you that canceling a trip because you do not have female Scouter for the girls will tick off the boys. They will resent the girls and the female Scouter who doesn't go on the trip. I admit the committee, and other Scouters need to recruit enough female Scouters, but until then it can be challenging. Sadly BSA now emphasizes the troop over the patrol. And that is how most adults are trained today. Even the ones who should know better. So you are saying that the girls and their families should have worked to push GSUSA to camp more since girls have different styles than boys? I keep hearing how the girls want the same adventure as the boys. Seriously though, there are not enough resources for two separate troops to do two separate programs and meet the expectations everyone is pushing for an initial launch. .Everywhere I read is stating the same thing directly or indirectly. Early Adopters of the Cub program are using existing packs and their resources. When my troop tried to help out a new troop, within 12 months they merged with us, had their members split into our existing patrols, and that troop ceased to exist.

Sorry I missed this until today. Second canoe orienteering. Sailing canoe i.e. rigging a sail was fun. If you have 4 canoes, forming a megacanoe is fun. Stern walking, aka Deck walking, aka Swamp walking in which a person stands on the aft deck and uses an up and down motion to propel a canoes is challenging and fun. With a kayak, we would island up/raft up and play Duck, Duck, Goose. Rules were 1) No running 2) could not pick the person in the canoe next to you. THAT. WAS. FUN!