Eagle94-A1

Also I want to apologize to @Scoutmaster Teddy for being over defensive regarding college students. I remember the disrespect I got from some Scouters, some with less experience in the movement than I had at the time, all due to my age. Add to that what has been going on with my troop, i.e. "The Scouts aren't ready to lead," and it I get overly sensitive. .

Update from national https://www.scoutingnewsroom.org/blog/bsa-clears-misconceptions-path-eagle-scout-rank-utah-scout-down-syndrome/

With all due respect, if you have a problem with 18 year old college students who are qualified to teach Eagle required MBs, then you may have a problem with operations in your unit. I was one of those "Over 18 and in college" MBCs who taught several Eagle required MBs, specifically Camping, First Aid, Swimming, and Lifesaving, in addition to several other MBs. As an 18 year old certified YMCA lifeguard instructor who had completed two 50 milers afloat , I felt more than qualified teaching the aquatic MBs. I admit not every camp has good staff, but that is more on the CD and PD tha

Somewhere I read he was a registered Cub Scout still, which would mean the Boy Scout advancement is null and void. And there is a way for SCOUTNET to allow someone over 11 to remain in Cub Scouts. Do not know the specifics except I had two packs with 17 and 19 year old Cub Scouts. Developmentally they were 2nd or 3rd graders.

I think someone at the local council, whether the pack and/or troop, or the council screwed up. It appears that the Scout has been registered as a Cub Scout all this time, and as a result ineligible for Boy Scout awards. I wonder why the council has not caught the problem earlier. Realistically he can stay a Boy Scout past his 18th birthday with the required paperwork. As stated previously, I've seen a 44 year old BOY (emphasis) Scout who not only had Down's Syndrome, but also legally blind earn his Eagle. Gut feeling: National and Local Council will review the situation to find ou

@Hawkwin, You do have a female ADL working with you? According to the info put out by national, a girls' den needs one registered, YPT female over 21 in addition to a second person.

This has been a topic of conversation on Facebook. There is a lot of confusion due to the terminology used by the dad in some previousreports. A lot of information is being left out of this and the previous articles IMHO. BSA has a program where Special Needs Scouts can advance. There are procedures in place that need to be followed. I knew a 44 year blind special needs SCOUT ( emphasis) who earned Eagle. Mentally he was about 13 or 14.

Besides Eagle1993, are there any other Early Adopters out there? The Pack and Troop Scouters will be meeting with our CO regarding Family Scouting, and they want to know "the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly." And if challenges have arisen, what have been the solutions. @Eagle1993, thanks for all the posts and please keep them coming. It is helping a lot.

Agree about online. Missing out on the paraverbal and nonverbal, that gives context to what we are saying. Best example I can give is how the tone, speed, and volume, as well as our body language of a sales clerk can tel you if they really want to help, or going through the motions. And yes that is everyone's concern I've talked to now save one. Had a chance to talk to our SM who was gung ho about girls joining because he has a daughter who is pumped up. And he now has some reservations about how the change.

@Eagle1993 I understand completely that you "do not want any child who has joined scouting to feel less than a full member." And I agree with that sentiment. But what I and many others who are against girls in the program, as well those who are for girls, are concerned about is changes to the program to accommodate girls to the detriment of the boys. If you look at the statistics, boys are currently being short-changed in our society. They are behind in school, they are being diagnosed and medicated for ADHD more than girls, have lower high school and college graduation rates, a

I'm linking these two quotes because they go together, just bear with me and read all of my comment before going ballistic. We already know that many parents today view convenience as being more important than development. Let's face it we see it with parents having their kids"earn" Cub Scout awards due to their parents signatures, parents pushing kids to advance, etc. BSA has hopped aboard that as their stated reason for "Family Scouting:" making it more convenient for families to have a one stop Scouting experience. As a result I see fewer and fewer all male Cub Scout packs in the futur

Wikipedia is talking about the old kits. A few years back they went to the trimarans

One reason why my sons' pack, with a few exceptions, i.e. religious requirements, has a Activity Badge Counselor do the signing off. One of my Scouts signed off on the Castaway requirements for middle son, and the ASPL signed off for youngest since SPL was oldest brother.

IMHO that is indeed the problem. Webelos IS the transition period between Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts. Webelos IS when they go from parents signing off to Activity Badge instructors signing off. Webelos IS when they start going from "Do Your Best" to "Master The Skills." Webelos IS when they need to start doing more during their camp outs. Sadly I am seeing more and more packs and WDLs treat Webelos as a continuation of Cub Scouts rather than a a transition to Boy Scouts. I'll give you three examples of how transitioning during Webelos does work. My Webelos den growing up did more than

back when I worked in supply, we had a few, not many but a few, GSUSA leaders spick up BSA literature to incorporate into their GSUSA program.

Regarding the World Crest, some of you may not remember that prior to August 1, 1989, you had to EARN (emphasis) the World Crest in order to wear it.I earned mine in 1987. I remember that exact date that allowed everyone to wear it because I was on a bus in Canada in the middle of an international trip that would have qualified everyone for the award when the adults apologized to use about the new rule. Trip was advertised as a way to earn that award. To make up for the rule change, we received the Canadian version of the badge, which is on a velvet background. So no, I will not be remo

I think we need to be realistic. We already know not only from those serving units on the ground, but also from BSA's own info on "Linked Troops" that troops will essentially be coed since the two "troops" can have shared volunteers, meet at the same location at the same time, go camping together, etc. I do not believe Scouters involved with 'Linked Troops" will allow their "boys troop" and "girls troop" to be placed in separate campsites. Further I do not believe most councils have the financial resources to hold two, separate single gender summer camps at the same time.

June 1st is go live for all non early adopter councils, although mine is recruiting in May. So everyone should be coed for Cub Scout day camp and resident camp. In fact I found out my day camp was going coed before it's camp director did.

While ultimately the membership decision is the COs, and I agree with that because they own the unit. But if you were considering a major change, wouldn't you want to know what your major stakeholder's think about the changes? National didn't listen to the membership when they made membership policies in the past. As a result, Scouting is suffering greatly in my area. The active volunteers who got things done quit because they thought BSA was not listening to them. COs have backed away from BSA, going to Trails Life. Not including the inflated numbers from when I first got here, we have lost

In my troop, the current SM and his future successor are both gung ho about girls. They are the ones saying the troop will be fully coed irregardless of what National says.Yet the Scouts in the troop I've talked to are not in favor of it. Haven't talked to 100% of them either. so they may be a few who are for it And I have talked to a few Scouts from other units who are opposed to girls as well. And as I mentioned one ASM is against girls, and another has mixed emotions on it. What you propose would be a good psych experiment, but even with all the paperwork involved on using human

Big difference between Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts is who runs the program. Cub Scouts is run by adults, Boy Scouts is suppose to be run by the Boy Scouts themselves. If a troop is truly run by the boys, and they do not want girls, are you going to stop them from running their troop they way they want? And every single boy I've talked to is opposed to allowing girls. In fact, the only people I've encountered gung ho about girls in Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts are parents. Even the girls I've talked to are not that interested.

We have one troop that has stated "NO GIRLS!" Only problem with them is that they are limited by the CO as to the number of Boy Scouts they can have. CO views it as an outreach ministry, and fully supports the Boy Scouts. Very active in fundraising. So trying to transfer into them is very difficult. We also have 2 troops that are on the wall about going coed. Both see more negatives than positives. All three have an advantage over the rest of the troops in the district as they do not have feeder packs and Cub Scout parents pushing girls on them. Two additional will be having

Actually crossing over by dens occurred before 1983. I was a Wolf, and saw the entire Webelos den earn AOL and cross over.

5- 10 seconds. My troop has already said they will be coed and segregated by patrol regardless of what national says. Only the CO will stop that. 1 Scouter has said he will drop, he does not plan on chaperoning coed camping trips. Another has mixed emotions since he has a daughter who has expressed interest in the BSA, but sees how this will hurt his son. I stated that while the CO will make the decision how Scouting will be at the church, if the troop does go coed, the boys will ultimately decide to stay, transfer, or quit altogether.

When I worked for national supply, my boss was completely clueless as to how a summer camp works. She envisioned it like a summer school where Scouts are in classes all day, and I only needed to be open between meals and classes and at night. Told her night time would be dead until after the campwide activity. Compromise ensued: I kept the store open during the campwide activity no matter what and it counted as hours I worked. As long as I made 10 sales an hour during the time she did not want the store opened, it counted as hours worked, and I was suppose to get comp time at the end of summe