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    Scout dad who finally has time to join a troop.

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  1. I'm unclear on what constitutes a unit approval for a scout's Eagle project. I get that the process requires the scout to get the unit's approval (among other signatures) before taking an eagle project to the next level of the process before taking the Eagle Project Workbook to the Eagle Project Board. What I don't have a good handle on is what level of review is needed for the committee approval signature. We have one scouter who is saying all the scout needs for the approval is a general idea and concept to recognize if this is a project that can go forward. Yes? Sign and wish the scout well. However the project is very large in size and complexity and the scout came to the committee with a few photos of the area and a general idea of what the project was. The committee found that there were too many basic questions that hadn't been thought through. No paperwork had been filled out. Nothing other than here's the general idea and some pictures. I felt like it was one of those Mickey Rooney and Judy Garland items where the idea was pitched with too much general "we've got a barn and we can make costumes, let's put on a show!" type of proposal. Especially if the scout was really planning on meeting the project start date. (Scout's gotta do what they do, as learning from mistakes is expected.) So what constitutes the level of review for this committee approval? We don't want to add hurdles or requirements. We do want the scout to succeed and be aware of some of the major items they really haven't thought through yet.
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    Remembrances of Cub Scouts

    Link to video This is someone's remembrance of his time in Cubs. I found it entertaining. With a point of what sells the program: camping.
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    Trappers Rendezvous 2019

    As Eagledad stated, it's not a real BSA event, even though it is a BSA event. Not youth run at all. The thing I hear the most from the scouts when they return are their stories about trading. In the PDF mentioned above, they want to get beyond the "garage sale" type of trading, but that's what happened most often when my son went. The "Trappers" are reenactment type folks showing various skills, and in some cases, letting the scouts try it out themselves. The big thing the "Trappers" teach is how to trade, and it all involves tall tales. Which is where the real fun is. Scouts learn to come up with big stories for the smallest items. My son used to take two items with him to start his trading, but he later started his trading by buying a $6 hatchet they sell in the shop there. He'd then stand close to that shop and offer it up for trade, spinning a tall tale about it (had it for years, fought off a bear, defeated a gaggle of Webelos...). He's start trading up from there. As he got older, typically he'd get involved in a large trading type of Rube Goldberg line. Adam has the item A he wants, but he wants Item B. Bob has B, but wants C. Chuck has C but wants D. Doug needs help finding E, but doesn't want to trade, but if you can arrange a trade for him for Item E he'll give you D. He's gotten up to around 11 folks involved where he finally gets someone to want what he has (item K) who then trades him item J and thus the trading network gets completed down the alphabet to where he comes away with the Item A he wanted. The last time he went he had a trading line about 15 deep when it fell apart and he didn't get what he really wanted. He had a great time doing all that though. Sometimes he comes away with something he really wanted (old gameboy, gameboy games etc). Other times just something he thought was cool (small skateboard, pocket knifes). Or something that he wasn't too cautious about. (Binoculars where one side doesn't work so well) All in all, he had a great time, met a lot of scouts from around the area, and stories to tell. Plus in his early days he'd come home with a sack of wooden nickels. Thankfully he stopped bringing those home. We've another event in February for all the shooting/archery sports, Top Shot, which is pretty popular as well.
  4. Anyone heading to Trappers Rendezvous in January? I'm pretty excited about it all. It's a lot of fun for everyone attending. Link to Trappers Rendezvous on the council's page. it's held yearly by the Quivira Council there in Kansas
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    AOL Bridging Up Issues

    This seems a little cross-wise and similar to things I encounter from folks now and then. A common confusion. Two deep leadership is where we want two adults with the Scouts in case of issues. The adults don't need to be joined at the hip, but within the same general nearby area. And like you pointed out, they both don't need to be registered scouters. Youth Protection is where there is no one-on-one contact between non-related scout and adult. We had a visiting parent accuse our troop of two deep/YPT violation because they were left alone within the same room as the scouts while the nearest other scouter was in the next room. This of course was not a YPT issue. It was, however, a poor judgement call in not being with the parent in case they had questions while they observed their kid interacting with the troop. I had been sitting and talking with them when I was called away by the SM who stayed with them when I left. I had assumed he realized that a good practice was to keep a scouter with the visiting adults in case of questions. As it was, the parent didn't want their child with our troop. They were experts because their older child had obtain Eagle rank the year before in another troop and knew we were violating YPT and we should be thankful they didn't turn us in. I was thankful. Thankful they didn't choose our troop.
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    Two Deep - Married, Related ok?

    As far as I've seen, BSA does not state anything about the adults being related or not. And in some southern states (mine included), everyone is related to everyone. lol I am my own Grandpa
  7. Welcome to the virtual camp fire @DJsMommy. Thanks to you for being the CC of your unit!
  8. Even though it sounds a bit flippant, I rely on something from an old role playing game from long while back called Paranoia. In which the whole concept was that you were part of a team whose members all had secret assignments to betray various other teammates etc on the mission they were assigned to. The slogan was, "Trust no one. Keep your Laser handy." Commonly, we as a society want to trust those who have been around for awhile simply because we think, if they were "bad" they would have been caught long ago. We watch the new adults more closely until we're satisfied they are doing okay. We give those who have been around for a long time a reprieve from scrutiny. In reality, we have to be on constant vigilance and willing to stand and make a report when something doesn't look right. It can be fatiguing and it does feel like we should trust those around us, but the scouts entrusted to our care demand that we don't take it lightly. We wouldn't go off on an outing without checking off the gear (first aid/communications/water/supplies/etc) we know to bring nor watching the weather reports etc. Same with watching for YPT failures. Ever vigilant. Thanks to the scouter who became suspicious. And again, don't rely on the person one-level-up to follow through to national. It is our responsibility to make the report to national. Let them do the investigation.
  9. YES! Yes to the whole idea of scouts have outside lives too. Thank you for that! I had an SM tell me that my son may not be counted as "active for six months" because he hadn't been a frequent attendee to meetings and campouts over the last six months over the fall. Never mind that he had been in this rank for two years and fall was marching band season. I replied that he should talk with my son about what he was doing and see how active he had been over the last two years instead of the last six months in this rank. My son was active during non-marching band times, going to campouts when it didn't conflict with his band/school commitments, but fall precluded him from all campouts and homework kept him out of half the meetings. The same SM relented with another scout who obtained Eagle that year. That scout had been mostly a no show for the last three years due to school commitments. And in my current troop, they also want to quantify what "active" means by making it a percentage numbers game. I quietly voice my concerns and thoughts on the subject to the adults when it comes up. As with most things in which I disagree with that don't line up with BSA guidelines, I don't do it in front of the scouts and I don't make ultimatums. I try my best to guide it towards what BSA states. However, if I see a scout get caught in one of those traps where the SM/CC/BOR whatever is trying to deny a scout their rights, I have decided I will let the scout and their parent/guardian understand their rights. I won't be party to things where the scout is denied simply because the troop/SM/CC/BOR want to change or add requirements away from what BSA sets. (Currently I'm fighting the whole BOR as a retest problem.)
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    Time to Go.

    But in all seriousness. I remember what it was like as a parent. You think, once I join there's no switching. I make it clear to parents that our most fervent desire is that their child enjoys and gets the most out of their scouting experience. We want them to succeed. If that happens with our troop, that's great. And if they want to explore other troops, that's also great. The most important thing for all troops is that their scout finds a place that works for them and that it is perfectly acceptable to search for a new troop whenever the scout wishes. I remind them that every troop has a different mix, a different set of capabilities, and a different program. All of which can change over time. And if a scout has a parent that I can tell is going to be difficult, I'm happy if they choose another troop. And I'll work with what we have if they don't.
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    Time to Go.

    I love troop visit nights. You meet the AoLs. You meet Parents. Engage with scouters. And you can realize, if you are watching closely, what people think of your troop. Be sure to talk up other troops too. Like they are doing great! They haven't had any emergency room trips this year. And so far no one has received any DUIs in the past six months. If the adult presses for details get vague, mutter about how you really can't talk about it legally.
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    Materials in Spanish?

    Thankfully you are capable of the task. I wish you well in your endeavor. For the rest of us, we'd probably use English in larger fonts and end words in "-o" while trying to convey some sort of unrecognizable accent. Though I do encourage you to kick this up the chain in whatever way you see fit. There are lots of languages that are used by scouts in BSA's many programs that should be reflected in the standard course material. Spanish is definitely one of those that is needed, since they do have the Boy Scout Handbook available in that format. Explaining what you're having to do and why, is a good way to shed light on the issue that is a great thing for National to address.
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    Is BSA adult leader training necessary?

    Oh yah, forgot the OP was about wood badge. I'll echo what other's have been saying. Don't bother with it until you feel like you want to take it. It does help with some of the folks who feel like non-beaded folk aren't worth listening too, but the true test is how you work with the scouts and scouters. Those who aren't full of the beads can tell those who have a good head on their shoulders and who are trying to improve.
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    Is BSA adult leader training necessary?

    Useless or not, unless you're registered as one of the "student" roles (92U or 91U) it needs to be done so it doesn't count against the unit's training record. It's pretty important for units trying for the JTE and other such things. The standard BSA online training held some items I didn't know and a lot I did. IOLS was similar. The best thing the latter did was meeting folks in my area. But the biggest thing about the training and reading up on the Guide to Advancement etc, is that you'll spot all those pesky things that a unit does that aren't correct. I was slightly amused/horrified when our SM helped administer the training at a summer camp and came out of it with a lot of corrected views. (The standard one I correct all the time is the BoR being a "retest" of the scout.) As such, you can at least ask the innocent question, "Where can I find that in the ...." One of my entertainments with a fellow scouter is asking him that question. He's loaded with stuff he thinks is true. I try not to do it too frequently unless it is egregious.
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    dyslexic scout

    Reading this made me wonder, do they have the "Communication" MB book on audio? Yes, my mind goes to strange places.
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