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Must have been prior to the 1980s. BUT I can tell you from my experience in my troop, everyone getting elected tended to be in the 15-17 year old age range. Not because of any age restriction, but because it was considered an honor and we had an active Leadership Corps I remember 1 14 year old getting elected, and he turned 15 prior to the Ordeal.

That was how it was in the 80s. First Class, 15 days and night of camping, including 1 (and only 1) long term camp within the past 2 years, SM's approval, and voted in. Up to 50% eligible got in with an even number eligible. Odd number varied since they rounded up to the next even number, then divided by half. So 2 out of 3 could get elected, 3 out of 5 could get elected, etc. That policy changed in the mid 90s, and a bunch of us thought it was a mistake.

I don't remember any age requirements for OA. But I do remember tenure requirements for Tenderfoot Second Class, and First Class. I also remember "Master the Skill" and "The badge represents what the Scout CAN DO, not what he has done" (sic) were the advancement standards to meet, and not "one and done." like today. I also remember being able to vote for 1/2 the number eligible. In my first OA election, they were 3 of us eligible. I could only vote for 2, and I did not myself as the other 2 were my role models and mentors. I think the old standards produced a more mature, capable Arrowman. I also believe the prestige of being an Arrowman, being recognized by not only your SM ( he had to approve you name on the ballot) but also by your peers through the election. Sadly it is not that way anymore in my neck of the woods. And with the OA hemorrhaging membership, I think it is nationally anymore

Only if your troop does it itself.

Currently Camp Raven Knob in NC is open and looking for units to attend. They have a great program.

@Sentinel947 said it best. There is no way to replace it.

IMHO worse still, first aid. I had a Life Scout with First Aid MB, not able to do basic T-2-1 first aid skills. When I asked him about why he couldn't do the skills, He told me "I took that class my first summer camp, I don't remember that stuff."

Ditto what @DuctTape said, what do the Scouts want to do?

Congratulations to your son!

Folks are still learning about COVID-19 because A) it is such a new virus and B) there are legitimate concerns that information about the virus was initially withheld by the CCP. Plus as more research is done, the information changes.

Well i just had a visit from one of my son's friends. The his troop is also doing their own extended summer camp since they were going out of state for camp. They are doing a 5 day summer camp of 8 MB sessions and then a 50 mile canoe trip.

The 2 camps I worked at in the UK, used that model. troops stayed at the camp and did their own things. The camp had available different activities on a ala cart model. So if the troop wanted to repel of the Cliffs of Dover, they could do that for an extra fee. Rifle shooting, ditto. Kayaking or sailing in the Chanel, again ther was a fee. My troop is doing their own camp. We got less than an month to prepare, so we are working on 2 options: 1. modern, MB oriented summer camp with limited choices of MB, or 2. hybrid activity based/ merit badge summer camp. Option 2 has them working on 2 MBs Environmental Science and Canoeing. Environmental Science was one of the most requested MB and Canoeing gets them wet since we have no swim area. We are giving them 2 options because there is a push by a few parents to make it MB focused. One in particular is trying to push it so that his son can get the remaining MBs for Eagle. But what is frustrating is that all the MBs he needs, he either has partials in, or started working on, and he has a counselor for those when is working with. We also have a few Scouts wanting a MB oriented summer. The rationale is that it is easier to earn MBs in one week of camp than throughout the year. (An aside, I think part of that is some summer camps are cutting corners. I have known Scouts "earn MBs" that they did not actually complete.) Activities at this moment include the following: First Aid (Helicopter Crash) Pioneering (Catapults or bridges, depending upon how much rope we can get) Orienteering (Patrol vs patrol), and Wilderness Survival (overnight experience). The activities will allow the Scouts meet T-2-1 requirements, and/or MB requirements. Plus they can be fun. memorable experiences. FORGOT TO ADD, all the activities have specific requirements that they meet for MBs and advancement.

My troop is doing their own camp. We got less than an month to prepare, so we are working on 2 options: 1. modern, MB oriented summer camp with limited choices of MB, or 2. hybrid activity based/ merit badge summer camp. Option 2 has them working on 2 MBs Environmental Science and Canoeing. Environmental Science was one of the most requested MB and Canoeing gets them wet since we have no swim area. We are giving them 2 options because there is a push by a few parents to make it MB focused. One in particular is trying to push it so that his son can get the remaining MBs. But what is frustrating is that all the MBs he needs, he either has partials in, or started working on, and he has a counselor for those when is working with. We also have a few Scouts wanting a MB oriented summer. The rationale is that it is easier to earn MBs in one week of camp than throughout the year. (An aside, I think part of that is some summer camps are cutting corners. I have known Scouts "earn MBs" that they did not actually complete.) Activities at this moment include the following: First Aid (Helicopter Crash) Pioneering (Catapults or bridges, depending upon how much rope we can get) Orienteering (Patrol vs patrol), and Wilderness Survival (overnight experience). The activities will allow the Scouts meet T-2-1 requirements, and/or MB requirements. Plus they can be fun. memorable experiences.

Negative, Ghostrider. What I wanted was IF increases occurred, they would give us enough advance warning so that folks could come up with a plan to get the money. Advance notice to help units and members budget is a lot better than A) Waiting until the beginning of Round Up season to announce fee increases or B) Waiting until days before the recharter process goes online.

Not necessarily. In at least 1 instance, I know a council, or more specifically a SE and DFS, that attempted restrict access to a council camp, and with lower attendance at the camp, reduced funding to the camp. The camp was essentially maintained by 2 OA chapters and troops in 2 districts. Rumor had it that the SE and DFS were trying to get the trust to give outright ownership to the council. Thankfully the camp is still in a trust. Later, a different SE not only removed some of the restrictions at the camp, but also invested in maintenance and repairs. That camp usually has more attendance than the other council camps, including the primary one used for summer camp.

I do not know why my council president emailed us on Friday, but he did. and I am glad. The SE's have had a heads up since NAM. While the pros should be notified in advance, because they will be facing the backlash, the info needs to come out in a timely manner. And I agree the infographic did cause more confusion than helped IMHO.

So what will the fee be for 18 to 20 year old ASSISTANT Scoutmasters?

Trust me, I know.

looks like I got my wish.

'AWESOME! TOTALLY AWESOME!" That sounds like a major project. Good luck to your son.

Where I am at, an extremely rural area with the median household income for 4 is Approx $42K. A lot of folks can barely afford Scouting. And COVID is going to make it worse. On a Positive note, someone is listening,National gave us the price increase for this year 2 months before Round Ups start, and told us the 8-1-21 price and 8-1-22 price in advance, @Cburkhardt, if you passed along my suggestiut folks can bon ot the powers that be, THANK YOU! The price increase will hurt, budget and prepare.

For once, my council is getting ahead of this. this was sent in an email today We just learned this week that on August 1 the following national fees take effect: National Registration Fees - $66 for Scouts and $42 for adults New National Joining Fee – one-time new Scout membership fee of $25

If the 18 - 20 year olds are treated with the same respect as other Scouters, i.e they count towards 2 Deep rules, I am game.

So true. DON'T GO THERE! I thought I read somewhere that a council was either considering an Eagle Application Processing fee, or implemented one,

Today was a long but good day. My Facebook Memory for today was May 28, 2014. My oldest attended his first PLC as the PL of the New Scout Patrol. i commented how he was a little overwhelmed at times, but represented his patrol well. He did a really good job as PL. So good in fact, that when his term as PL ended, he was nominated for, and won the SPL position, beating out slightly older and experienced Scouts (troop he was in at the time was 2 years olds and the oldest Scouts were 13) Well tonight, he had his Eagle BOR. Paperwork is being cent to the council tomorrow, and onwards for national confirmation. Here's the funny thing. I knew since he became SPL at 11 he was going to make it. I admit I tried to talk him out of being SPL at 11. I talked about the challenges he would be facing, especially as an 11 year old. But the last time I tried to talk him out of it, he said something that made me realized he got everything we try to teach these Scouts, summed up nicely as servant leadership. he told me, "Dad, the troop elected me SPL, I can't let them down. I gotta do the best job I can for them." Life at the moment is very good.