scoutldr

I'm not disagreeing, fb. Character is not a partisan issue.

Unfortunately the title, "Eagle Scout" does not mean what it used to. It has been cheapened. I was confronted at work by a parent who said, "it's all BS...there is a kid in my son's troop whose dad and grandfather built a park bench while he was away at summer camp in order to beat the 18 year old limit. Everyone knew about it, but the EBOR gave it to him anyway." Today's teens and their parents have the mindset of "get it any way you can." Cheating in school is rampant, and they think nothing of breaking the rules. They only regret it when they get caught. Of course we have excellent role models like Kennedy, Murtha, Clinton, Foley, etc. What's happened to our standards, when the ranks are spoon-fed through mass meritbadge mills and parents doing the work for them? In my opinion, if a scout is convicted of a felony, he has forfeited his right to the Eagle rank. Sorry for the rant...

A little confused here. We are in a military town. Our flag would need about 16 blue stars, since most of our parents and leaders are active duty, as would every other unit in the council. On the other hand, we have had several scouts "age out" and join the military...one is now in the Army in Afghanistan. Should we have a star for him, since he's no longer registered with the troop? I pray that we never have to wonder about gold star protocol.

I was faced with a similar situation, when we convened a EBOR and facts were revealed in the Letters of recommendation. One of the EBOR members said, "if we proceed with this, I am voting NO." I recessed the Board, and called the DAC. The eventual ruling from the SE was that the Board should proceed, and a vote taken. Vote to approve MUST be unanimous. Then, if the Eagle is denied, the scout has a right to appeal. If all requirements have been completed, the Scout has a right to a Board. Then let the chips fall where they may. If the unit refuses to convene a Board, then the District will probably convene one and take it out of the hands of the unit committee.

Interesting about Eugene Fluckey. My dad served under his command on USS BARB, a submarine in the Pacific war.

Use a little reverse logic...if I were a registered Boy Scout, but liked the Sea Scout uniform better, would it be appropriate for me to buy one and wear it for OA purposes? Seems to me if he's not a registered Boy Scout, then he's not entitled to wear the uniform of that program. OTOH, I'd rather spend the money on that than some of the other things he COULD be asking for!

I'm with you, Eamonn. I just resigned my District Committee position after getting a glimpse of how the pros view volunteers via an e-mail I probably wasn't supposed to see. It's clear that they think THEY are in charge and we volunteers are just there to do their bidding so they can "meet the numbers". I'm relieved not to have extra meetings to go to, and am focusing on "my" unit, which I formed 15 years ago. Our CO is in name only...they only provide a place to meet (a portable classroom), which is in such poor repair, we often share the space with rats and rabid mosquitoes. The heat and A/C quit working about two years ago. Our feeder pack went under (which I also formed), and we've received no new Webs the past two years. (there are about 10 other troops within a 5 mile radius, only one of which has more than 20 active scouts). After the current crop either ages out or makes Eagle, the troop will probably fold, since I don't have the energy to hold it up any more. None of the current parents are interested...they will provide transportation, but that's about it. I enjoyed sitting on EBORs, but not being a "silver looper" any more, probably won't get asked again. I was hoping to be around for the 2010 festivities, but it doesn't seem to be in the cards.

True. According to several Google sources, the program ended in 1952 when the age limits were set.

Chevy

Sea salt has only sodium and chlorine. No carbon. Not organic.

My biggest complaint about voting is having to run the gantlet of electioneers forcing leaflets in my face as I fight my way through them to get to the polling place. I would like to see a law that as of 6 am on Election Day, all campaigning must stop. I would also like to see a law that all campaign signs be removed within 24 hours of the polls closing or face a $50 fine per sign. Surely the ACLU will file suit to protect the Scouts' right to peaceably assemble?

The statement is true as written...you will find troops that are adult-led. That is not the correct method of running a troop, however.

The latest news reports are that the leader's son, Michael John Oliver, 12, suffered two broken legs and was able to drag himself from the burning wreckage. He is in the hospital and is expected to recover. Memorial services and funerals begin today for the three Boy Scouts and Scout leader who died in a wreck Sunday in Southampton County. Fourteen-year-old Carter Thomas Stephenson will be honored at 3 p.m. today at High Street United Methodist Church in Franklin. A memorial service for Jackson Fox, 13, has been arranged for 11 a.m. Thursday at Capron United Methodist Church in Capron. The funeral service for Luke Drewry, 12, is set for 2 p.m. Thursday at Courtland Baptist Church in Courtland. John Oliver, 43, will be honored at an 11 a.m. service Monday at the High Street United Methodist Church in Franklin. The families have requested that Scouts and Scouters attend in uniform if possible. A fund to support the families has been established at the Colonial Virginia Council, ATTN: Troop 17 Fund.

There are several of us here from Va...what part of the Great Commonwealth are you in? (We also have some from as far away as Australia!)

Welcome to the forums, eaglescout06! The only rules are the Scout Oath and Law...and yes, actual scouts can join in! There are several already on the forum.

Problem is, the candidates here have spent most of their money bashing each other and we have no idea what they stand for or if they have a plan.

The turtle is the totem of Unami Lodge #1 in Pennsylvania, but that's not a positive ID.

Donations may be sent to: Colonial Virginia Council Troop 17 Fund 11721 Jefferson Ave. Newport News, VA 23606

I just got home and was shocked to read this, which is close to home. What a sad day. My prayers are with the families.

So, playing devil's advocate, what happens after I write my DL number on the tour permit? Does the nice lady at Council have access to the DMV computer? Does she look up every DL to check the driving records before stamping the tour permit? How many moving violations can I have before the tour permit is denied?

C'mon guys. I read Merlyn's first post as an "FYI" to inform us about an ongoing issue. Not to grind a particular axe or air a beef. I too feel the ruling is proper. As a volunteer to the BSA, I get to decide the limits of my participation...not the parents. That's not to say I'm not sympathetic and very thankful for my own good fortune.

You may have already earned some! If you earned Arrow of Light, a Religious award, Hornaday Award, Heroism Awards or Eagle Scout as a youth, you are eligible to wear the corresponding knot.

The 80's is "the past"???...hoo boy. Seems like yesterday.

I've been told that with a white suit, a red carnation, and a lot of Grecian Formula, I could pass for Ernest Angley. Not sure if that's a complement or not.

How do we get them to think about anything? As stated in another thread, my observation is that kids these days are just waiting to be spoonfed their next activity. They don't think, they don't plan, they just react. Yesterday we had a canoeing outing at the SPL's house which is on a large lake. The activity has been planned for months, troop calendars were handed out, and the parents knew all about it. The weather started out iffy, but the clouds cleared by 9 am and it turned out to be a warm, sunny day. Some showed up late, having to be roused out of bed by the parent with whom they were riding. They were all told to bring a contribution for lunch (chips, drinks, cookies, etc)...none did. I'm the first to admit that troop meetings are boring, because, in spite of the PLC planning, come Monday night, nothing is prepared. I've thought about firing the SPL and getting a new one, but they're all the same. My perception is that they live their lives in 15 minute increments...at the end of the troop meeting, there is no further thought of Scouts until next Monday night at 6:45 when Mom says, "It's Monday night and time for scouts", at which time they grab their balled up shirt from under the bed and get in the car. Then they show up at the meeting and sit down, waiting for the next 15 minutes' worth of entertainment. I started Safety MB with them several weeks ago. I went over all the requirements, most of which need to be completed at home with family involvement. I gave them several resources (internet, etc) with which to find crime statistics, safety checklists, etc. I'm still waiting for the first one to come back and say "Mr. Scoutldr, I've completed some requirements, would you look at them?" They are simply not interested, unless someone nags them. I'm not going to do that. As I reread this post, it occurs to me that this may be why Scouting is in decline. It's not that kids are not smart enough. It's because that today's culture does not fit the "boy-led" model. Planning and leading is anathema to the way they are being raised, both at home and at school. Then they perceive meetings as "boring" because the SM doesn't do everything for them like the parents and teachers do. Perhaps B-P's model no longer works in today's society. Hmmmmm.(This message has been edited by scoutldr)