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@ParkMan, your first scentence contradicts the remainder of your reply. You say this issue is about some higher ideal, "equality", but then every example you put forward is an example of permissive sexual ethics, and you conclude with the biased judgment that BSA picked "the wrong side" in the late 80s. The promoters of restrictive sexual ethics continue to argue that BSA is choosing the wrong side now. They flourish in their domains. And here is where I especially disagree with you ... I encourage anyone, of any particular faction, in any particular role (leader, follower) to keep talking about BSA. I'd prefer that they'd say something novel and insightful each time they spoke, but we should recognize that is hard to do. (See the reference to a rehashed article in law-dot-com in another thread for an example of failure at novelty.) It gives parents something to talk to me about. Negative advertising: it ain't great, but it's cheap!

I use the terms "restrictive" and "permissive" because they adequately neutrally describe the polarized views on this issue. Either one asserts that authoritative figures (e.g., church, state, youth organizations) should "restrict" which forms of sexual expression should be held in honor by society, or one asserts that a wide varietey of forms of sexual expression should be "permitted" to hold equal standing by society. One may be inclusive of race, creed, or sex, yet still want their children to aspire to restrictive or permissive norms regarding sexual ethics. If one aspires to restrictive sexual ethics, they exclude those with permissive sexual ethics ... and vice versa. (E.g., it was said by a member of this forum that we [scouters who stuck with BSA] were better off without them [scouters who spun off TL/USA for the sake of those in the restrictive camp].) At least for now, there are precious few venues where both sit comfortably in the same room together for long.

I disagree about the outcome. It is very good for LDS. They are no longer throwing $$ toward an organization for which a large portion of their male youth weren't actively involved, and the adult leadership demands were overtaxing. The potential for the LDS to attract non-LDS families is as high as it's ever been. If TL/USA is any indication, they are poised to vacuum up a lot of youth in families with a restrictive sexual ethic. On the other hand, those tens of thousands who might want their boys to be brought up with a mind toward a more permissive sexual ethic have not flocked to BSA.

Shared with my jamboree troop.

The article's regurgitation of facts is very confusing. It attributes BSA's membership loss to its entrenchment in Dale, but elevates GS/USA for its support of a permissive sexual ethic without acknowleging it's equally precipitous membership trajectory. It further ignores the rise in membership of the nascent TL/USA and AHG, both of which uphold restrictive sexual ethics. It also fails to acknowledge that the court made clear that artisans cannot be compelled to act as conscripts of a cause to spite their religion. Furthermore, it does not opine on BSA's declaration of religious principle, and how that has truly hampered the organization's role in public institutions. It is neither investigative nor instructive. We've seen these articles before. What is clear: private organization's can and do discriminate, but should they?

Okay, that's a little easier to work with -- mainly because the more names you have, the more chance of on of those alumni being in the middle of a network of more remote alumni. If you have a volunteer who wants to paper chase, your CO might have old rosters (in all those charter agreements that they were supposed to file). Your council registrar also would have copies boxed who-knows-where. Lacking that, going old-school is probably best. Start with the scouts who graduated last year. Give them a call. Ask them if they have the contact info of the scouts who graduated before them, or if they remember the names of the scouts in their patrol. This could be fun. You might find a former scout who's just coming out of orbit! You might also find a few sad stories. Anyway, as the new scoutmaster, making those calls might be rewarding for you and the alumni. They might be willing to pay a visit, or they might have some land to camp on! But, pace yourself and share the load. It's fun, but time consuming.

One of the redeeming features of fundraisers is teaching scouts salesmanship. Take the 'sell' out of the equation, and it looses its point.

Why just Eagles? If the goal is marketing, why only shoot for a slice of the pie? Just sounds dumb to me.

Wilderness Survival was never on the required list for Eagle. Bird Study, on the other hand, told a scout a lot about the environment he was in and how the actions of man impacted it. Which, I think, was the point of that MB being required in 1915 less than two decades after the passenger pigeon was declared extinct.

Just a thought: with LDS out of the way, can we make Family Life elective and Bird Study required for Eagle?

Note to self: never try to explain myself to @MattR in a video. ;) I hope there is a transcript. I have several LDS friends, so understanding their speak is important to me. However, from @le Voyageur's synopsis, it doesn't seem much different than what I've seen outlined elsewhere. It's typical international youth ministry fare. In terms of methods of scouting it ignores Patrols, Advancement, Outdoors and emphasizes Adult Association (especially with parents), Leadership Development, and Personal Growth. Don't let the gender-specific roles confound things. The young women's program involves leadership development in not so many words. And, BSA has no room to throw stones at sex-specific roles as long as it insists girls can't bunk with boys.

Don't take that for granted. Troops don't need any council approval for camping locations.

Get a hold of council and ask them to approve the site.

The old Arbor day projects were generally aimed at instant gratification and the notion of forest progression from field to pines to hardwoods. My brother planted firs and spruce in part of our property, and they loomed large in a decade. But there was no plan to bring up maple, oak and sassafras behind it. Hardwood plantings are challenging. Deer love rubbing those saplings!

I took for granted that everyone knew about Dragon Boats. It's quite popular around the three rivers of Pittsburgh.

The ranger at one camp in our area refurbishes motorcycles as a hobby. He picks up and refurbishes scrapped bicycles for the camp to use in the process. When our area VOA has an event there, he puts them out for anyone to use.

Perfect day here. After early church, I was "running" in an Orienteering course (2 1/4 hours - not great for an medium, but a new stretch of county park for me), then worked on some carpentry on the back porch before Sunday dinner. I figured the Steelers could win this one without me,

To be a scout in the BSA now, you must: have four others of the same sex willing to do the same have two minders aged at least 21 and if you are female, have at least on of these minders match your sex sacrifice about three camping nights of funds for this of past minders. Heaven help you if you are so foolish as to go hiking and camping with friends who are members of the GS/USA.

Yeah, it's not the kid who's makin you want to walk away. It's the folks on the sidelines yelling at the ref for calling out of bounds.

Yeah, tell the parents that they need to be present when their son scandalizes scouts with his foul mouth.

Well, if you want more suggestions. Take the "liked" slogans, put them in a poll, and invite everyone to vote on their favorite. Then you'll get hundreds of comments with alternate suggestions.

IMHO - this is entirely a youth problem. By now those cross-overs should be either their own patrol with an elected PL or in existing patrols with their established PLs. In other words, they ain't crossovers, they are first-years. It's very simple. In the PLC, ask each PL how many of his boys have not earned scout rank. Then ask why. Then ask what he will do to change that. Then at every PLC ask those same questions until most of those crossovers have advanced. If all of the 1st-years are in one patrol, the other patrols will obviously have near zero who haven't earned scouts and the one patrol will have the large number. That's not an excuse. That's an opportunity to ask that one PL why, and what he will do to change that. I never make a distinction between AoLs and never-cubs. I find it makes precious little difference in their rank advancement in the troop. All that matters is that each PL knows that you will ask "How many?", "Why?", and "What?" If your PLC is working, expect them to be brutally honest if you're the problem. Obviously, if you haven't allowed them to sign off, then they should point that out. They may point out that their scouts are able, they're just waiting for an SMC. At scout rank, you don't even need 5 minutes for advancement conferences. What else are you doing that's so important that you can't have a conference with three or four 1st-years every meeting? Are these boys coming to campouts? You should be able to meet with them all between breakfast and lunch! Your PL's might not point these things out at the first PLC where you call them out on this, but by the time you ask those three simple questions at the fourth meeting, one or two of those PLs will say "Sir, we've done our job. We're waiting for you to do yours."

We're up to $120 for scouts. (The leader's fee is less, but I'm inclined to put the same amount in by way of donation.) No complaints, and we intend to support anyone who can't afford it. The boys got serious with popcorn and wreath sales, which helped. But ... we told boys that we had a few fat years where we skated on camp fees. (An adult decision which I did not approve of.) Now they will have a minimum to pay for each campout (unless a volunteer proffers his/her back nine for a weekend). My hope is that will motivate them to sell aggressively. I'm more concerned about the junior high student who never did scouting and might want to do join the troop. Or, the high school students who might want to join the crew that some of the boys want to start. That's a big commitment compared to the evenings at the skating rink or bowling alley.

Stand by your SM and TG. Don't waste time in explanations. This is how your troop runs, like most troops. Scout demonstrate skills to a leader, Scout presents his book to that leader, that leader signs off. It's the scout's advancement, not the leaders. The boys know that. No further explanation necessary. You're in the unfortunate position of needing to remind parents ... the scout has control of his advancement destiny. If the scout wants results, he'll take action. If he's not taking action, what does that tell you about his desires?

We'll, I learned the names (generic and street) of common drugs in 4th grade science class. It's about the right age. I'm just wondering why have a den do something that a school should be doing?