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My opinion -- (not nationals): we're only mostly youth-run as long as adults are doing the Tour Plans. Not too bothered by that. Fact is, when you have driven youth, adults will rally around to support them. Sometimes that support comes by way of running the bureaucracy on their behalf.

So, as long as nobody else is jumping at the same time, go right ahead!

Jim's reply makes sense to me. More broadly, this ain't Eagle. This is an opportunity for the boys to reflect on their year. My suggestion is to put this to your PLC, or your entire troop. Have your boys hash out if THEY think they deserve the award. If they are letter-of-the-law types and don't think they should apply for the award, ask them if they are still proud of what the troop accomplished last year. Then give them national's opinion, and ask them if this makes them feel better or worse for applying for the award. (Some boys might feel better because they aren't breaking any hard and fast rules, others might feel worse because this leaves some wiggle room for troops to not pursue some really worthwhile MBs.) Ask them if ribbons like this are really important to them, and if they should tweak your program to make sure they don't "just barely" make it next year. In other words, make sure the boys are in the loop and are using things like this to spark conversation on how to shape their program.

A variety of meats, but best of all: the universal garnish of my wife's aunt's homemade horseradish, of which a jar got sent home. May God rest ye mightily, gentlemen (and ladies). I do believe in most cases, that's a good thing. But if you believe there's something better you should wishing me when we meet, I do hope you'll find it in your heart to offer it. The Good Book tells me that the Almighty's translation service doesn't process words as well as it does the pits of souls.

Most of our projects do *not* require significant fundraising. Many of our communities have funds for materials, but not for labor, or leadership! A boy can go to his town hall and ask what needs to be done. Now sometimes, a boy's vision is for a project that lacks money. But, we try to help a boy understand that there are a variety of possibilities and he doesn't necessarily need to have one with a fundraising component.

Too bad they didn't give Laurel Highlands Council a call, we love gerrymanders!

Most of the Arab Muslims I know would have no problem seeing a Christian praying in Jesus' name. That would endear the guy to him more. They would be very interested in his experience with families of former slaves. Many are a generation (or less) away from legal slavery.

I'd take Stosh's approach and have the Fire Inspector give you the capacity of your troop's meeting place. That's your upper limit for totals of youth and adults. If you are reaching that volume, you should have a couple of capable adults to train. They'll get so good that some of them will spin off a new unit, and you'll be back under your maximum in less than a year!

Looking good. Our provisional sailors were responsible for their own transport. You should make it clear to late-comers that they will owe their share of the extra transport costs.

There are plenty of hungry ASMs out there. My utensils and bowl are always at the ready to serve!

#21stCenturyProblems#

Forget spreadsheets. Award sterling (wooden nickels in foil) for whatever you all decide is worthy. At the end of the competition have an auction where boys can bid on gear/food/pwd cars/donated items. Only award by patrols. A patrol of 15, even if they do win a little more "sterling", won't have as much buying power per boy as a patrol of 5.

To be precise, it's been a national program for 66 years (the first NOAC starting 13 years after the first national jamboree). Still, nothing to sneeze at. Don't misconstrue me, I am incredibly pleased with OA, especially our lodge, and what it's done for our boys. I actively promote the NOAC to my youth. And, as much as I loved going to Jambo as a youth, I'm in no rush to go again. In fact I believe the OA definitely deserves to be recognized with its own piece of real estate on the national uniform. How 'bout that pentagon, wider than tall, flapping downward at the top of that right pocket? Let's not use that flap for anything but a patch designated by the OA lodge (even if it looks like Totin' Chip or Firem'n Chit would fit) .

I think the mission of the CO comes into play here. If it is to attract masses of kids (for whatever reason) then it will encourage the SMs' to become more like a management team with the ASMs handling a lot of the SMCs. If it is to provide opportunities a select group of dedicated kids (again, for whatever reason) it will encourage the SM's to become more like counselors with a certain "caseload." Obviously, not all of us can flex into both roles. So, that would mean some units would have to swap out leaders as the size of a troop changes. In fact, when our unit was numbering in the 40's we did change SMs fairly frequently. Now that we are smaller, our current SM is very happy to stick around (his boy graduated this year). And, it is kind of nice not to have to drag that trailer everywhere!

So the issue is: ignoring the number of participants, are they equivalent enough? Name recognition. NOAC simply does not have it. Broad base: NOAC is not open to scouts who were never elected as honored campers. Nor are invites sent to BSA members who have no access to being elected - not even for them to volunteer as event staff. Global: there is no international equivalent ... no World-NOAC. Curb appeal: no tent cities? 'Nuf said. There is no doubt going to NOAC is its own reward. It rightly can claim a place on a boy's right pocket or sash-back. But, I can imagine that for someone writing the insignia guide, it takes a street-recognized, broad-based, global event with lots of curb-appeal to justify coloring up the region between Epaulet and right pocket. NOAC, NAYLE, the HA Bases, Sea-Scout Conventions, Venturing Summits, and the first-aid meet at the neighborhood gym are simply not that event.

Once, I had to ask one of my first-authors to strike about three paragraphs from our manuscript because it did little to frame our results and merely revealed his biases. He gladly obliged. I'm sure other statisticians do not have such accommodating authors. Bias in articles (and their rejoinder to them) is nothing new. Regarding the original article (Social Science Research Volume 41, Issue 4, July 2012, Pages 752–770), I gave it a quick glance, and the paper's statistics does open itself up to vulnerabilities. I could bore us with the math, but suffice it to say that the study is set up to generate large numbers of differences with no consideration as to if these differences are independent or large enough to be meaningful in a practical sense. On that account alone, it will draw fire from researchers who are more rigorous in publishing from similar (possibly even the same) data sets and come up with less striking results.

If less than 10,000 is comparable to more than 30,000! Then you can say they're equivalent. NOAC does not even attract 1% of BSA membership. Although, that's partly because less then have of BSA members join O/A. Of course, that all may change in the next few years if national keeps jacking up the price of Jambo and holding the line on weight restrictions! But for now, NOAC strikes me just one of many awesome "special interest" scouting opportunities that can rightfully vie against local first-aid meets for the coveted spot on the right pocket. There are two common questions asked of me from non-scouts: "Did you make Eagle?" and "Did you go to a Jamboree?" I just pulled Webster's off the shelf, and there it is right after "jambeau". Maybe when the name of your favorite conference has it's entry right after "No" and before "no-account" (or perhaps when nobody looks at paper word-lists anymore ), we can talk about equal footing for insignia.

Maybe for winter camping you need to teach people not to lick the cot's aluminum poles. That's is, if they've been left out of the heated trailor for any length of time.

That will only get you so far. Our boys had the same attitude, but it's made it difficult to recruit. Rather than a group of buddies who challenge each other, a visitor is faced with a swarm! Now we are nearly one patrol large! There will be a two year gap between our crossovers and the youngest of our boys. That is - if we get cross-overs!

Welcome, have fun!

Agree with SN and DT, just tell your DE you've got several parents who disagree on what they want for their boys, a capable SM and CC, boys who will follow them, and a willingness to start a new troop. If there's another CO available, and they generally agree with how you want to implement the program, go there. If not, become that CO. That way you take the high ground and minimize ill will.

Okay, I have a moment to play crumudgeon with opposing view ... Why should your Philmont, NAYLE, Seabase, patch be any more special than some week long council patch? What about some patrol's handmade patch for a 10 day adventure of their own design? Why isn't being able to put a dozen patches on the back of your MB sash enough?

Spring Break theme?