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I deal with venturers. I prefer E-mail or home/cell phone. If they haven't copied their folks on the E-mail, I'll CC them on the reply. I encourage them to use the group mailing list. They've wanted me to get on another media (in-stir-gram or snapper-chat?), I declined. If they put out a friend request on FB, I'll accept it. But, I don't communicate crew business using it. Profusion has its limits.

I don't encourage our SM to focus minutes on national events. Believe it or not, our boys often have more immediate concerns. Make a plan or adopt a theme -- parables, this week in our nation's history, famous scouts --and follow it. Often, the scheduled minute will have some application to current events. Now if our boys want to understand events like these, have them plan visits to community centers or offer to be color-guard at memorial services. If possible, visit the monuments in question. Talk to town councils and the decisions they made regarding them. But, that's not an SM minute, at best it's an announcement: "Any patrol that wants to look into the events of last week in a scout-friendly way, come see me, I'll have some ideas for you."

Congratulations! They really do vary by family. But around here there is a grand tradition of a ceremony followed by some kind of meal (lighter if it is in the evening, grander if it is in the afternoon. Both of our sons procrastinated, so theirs was in the late morning/afternoon followed by a big party at our house the Sunday after high school graduation. As to the ceremonies themselves, NESA has a booklet (http://www.nesa.org/PDF/EagleCeremonyBooklet3.pdf) from which most of the boys take their script. However, I give points for creativity, and have always wanted to see a ceremony in the form of a panel discussion where the SPL takes questions from the audience to ask of the Eagle, his mentor, a friend, a representative from the service project beneficiary, and a parent. If anyone pulls it off, please post it with attention to me.

@@RichardB, I cannot begin to describe the ire national is generating (not just this forum, which was only the early signs of it) by couching the notion of girls-only packs and troops in marketing doublespeak. I've already written my SE about it. But, just this weekend I've heard from a parent who heard about it at his committee meeting from a scouter who attended a council presentation. The term "family access" was patently offensive - to both folks who would have co-ed troops and those who would not want membership extended to the opposite sex. If your colleagues want this boat to float, encourage them to abandon that term, with apologies to the nation, and speak plainly.

If "Eagle rank is still under discussion" the proposal doesn't involve coed troops. Sounds like the "parallel" programs that Mike Survaugh was discussing at Jambo. It really is pathetic that pros are telling @@Stosh that he'll have to live with the paradox of opposite sex in his scouting for boys program, but don't worry, they'll keep that precious bird in a lock box. I'm wondering if it would help to phase this in for a birth cohort. In other words, extend BSA pack/troop membership to females born after February 8, 2010. That will allow girls to start working the program with boys immediately, should the CO see fit as lions and wolfs. Those girls would be Webelos by 2011. That would give @@Ankylus and others time to pack his bags, or go all soft at the site of doe-eyed crossovers.

I have had to deal with something like this. Worse, I was not told about it at the time. It was not an actionable offense, but people acted like it was. So, once I got word, I acted in a way that the issue would be run up the chain ... two years later. I had two very unpleasant phone calls where basically, I stood by the accused while respecting the parents of the purported victim. It was a mess until I declared to council how I was going to handle it. Unfortunately by that time, the youth/adult was soured on scouting.

Several concepts we all must internalize: A scout is not "paying the penalty" when he does not get an award he didn't earn. He is getting awarded appropriately for his work. (I miss @@Beavah.) A camp is not paying a penalty when they can't take credit for giving an award that they only partially counseled boys on. They are being given the privilege of accurately reporting the services that they do and don't provide. Scouts have a responsibility to know the published requirements for any award. Reading a reference is the first step in any ideal method mastering any scout skill. Any method that does not explicitly include this step should be banned from scouting's lexicon. Scouts should have the courage to turn down an award that they did not earn. I know that's a big ask. But the whole blue card exercise is to give scouts agency in their own advancement. They get to choose which counselor has the honor of their signature on the scouts' trail to Eagle. Boys will be denied agency in their own advancement so long as camps don't require the scout hold on to their blue card at all times,only keeping the counselor portion upon badge completion, and the SM only holds on to the unit portion of the card whenever the scout so chooses to report badge completion. Compromises on any of these four concepts lead to "high speed, low drag" issues and the consequent denying good scouters like @allangr1024 the right to do their part in seeing boys grow up strong and good.

You're picking a term pretty far down the list of methods and not even mentioned in the aim, vision, or congressional charter. Patriotic youth organization -- that at least gets an oblique reference in the front page. Of course, Google itself is currently in the news for firing an employee who challenged sex-based diversity goals in a tech environment. not sure unisex programs would rise up on their radar under the category of leadership without extensive prompting.

This is the very tricky part of scout-mastering. Sometimes a troop/patrol needs to lean one direction or another on advancement because of a strongly felt need. E.g., you may really need scouts to master 1st class skills for them to meat a goals of hiking and camping in a particular region. Thus you push everyone towards that rank, because the more scouts without basic camping skills, the more you have to "dumb" down the program for safety's sake considering where the boys will be and what they'll be expected to do. On the other hand, you might have boys who want volunteer at the fire house and swimming pool. Well, then you might want to lean on everyone getting Fire Safety, Swimming, First Aid, and Lifesaving merit badges, and let trail to 1st Class be a focus on only a few weekends and meeting nights per year, again for safety's sake considering where the boys will be and what they'll be expected to do. Needless to say, the next guy in line might hear either strategy (e.g. no MB's until 1st Class, or no 1st Class until MBs) as a hard-and-fast rule handed down from on high, when a plain reading of the program materials encourage flexibility and allowing boys to advance at their own pace. That's why I strongly encourage scouts to read their handbook for themselves. It really is the first step in teaching a skill successfully.

Sounds like an Eagle project: surveying and reporting over-water power line heights in the names of the poor souls who were let down by government passing the buck.

I suspect wilderness survival was one of his electives. Or, maybe he was just short on nights for Camping MB, and his counselor threw down a challenge. Maybe he decided to challenge himself. We adults can't add to the requirements, but if a boy says, "I want to do X before making rank," who's gonna stop him?

Yep, it can take years to achieve 1st Class, when a troop properly insists on skill mastery. In the meantime, I encourage boys to one or two MBs at camp and a couple more in the off season ... Four a year. I get them in the habit of writing each badge that they earned on the appropriate line in the Star requirements page. That way, by the time they reach 1st class, Star becomes a matter of putting all their time in a position of responsibility.

Bottom line: it really stinks to be on phone with a fresh 18 year-old whose CC refused to sign his Eagle app -- unsatisfied with the credibility of a blue card -- and be the first guy to say "Answer me this, did you complete the requirements as written?" Do everything in your power to make sure nobody has to be "that guy" on account of how anybody else failed to counsel your scouts.

That ship is sailing ... just like independent patrol camping ... with or without BSA's sanction. Girls will get "on paper" one way or another. (Frankly, a young woman with "completed Eagle Scout requirements, sex notwithstanding, just for fun" on her resume would hold my attention better than many young men with the actual award.) Mike S's stance is simply the worst of all possible worlds -- except the one where extra paperwork is adored. @Gwahir's question is valid. The answer boils down to are they doing it for good reasons? Is it activism or answering needs. Then the rest of us rule followers have to suck it up as "older sons" and figure out what works best for "the prodigals." For example, rather than "paralleling" packs and troops, beef up liaisons with Campfire USA and offer parents who would rather run girls and boys through a similar program a way to transfer their unit to that program, run that program as long as they'd like, switch back to a Pack or Troop if the girls drift away. Figure out what accomplishments in one program may count for awards in the other program. That gives whatever Cubmaster or Scoutmaster the freedom to lash hulls to a different ship. And, lean on NESA to extend its recognition to the highest awardees in other programs (venturing would be a good start), and give the kids opportunities to compare notes so they can decide how to make it all better for their kids. OA? That's a tiff between progressive national lodge chiefs and reactionary advisors. I wouldn't even go there. Let them test the waters, and even if the whole organizations goes co-ed, give them the right to say, "Sorry, still no girls allowed."

Yeah, national are inept control freaks, and they're listening to marketing experts, ignoring their base, yada yada. This is nothing new, and they are fooling nobody. Folks who like this idea will express their enthusiasm, folks who don't will reply accordingly. Execs will pick their path. Not defending them, just saying that if this is a reason to leave, we're a few years to late.

I disagree with Fred on this one, given that the SM and the scout have already talked. The badge was issued in error. Hold it until the boy completes it under the guidance of a trusted counselor, such as yourself (we presume). Make the process of actually completing the requirements as fun as possible for the boy and his family -- as it should be with this particular badge. As Flagg suggests, incorporating some troop activities along the way can really boost your program,. Unless the camp has a general store where the boys can purchase the ingredients for their patrols to cook their specific menus, this was a grievous error on the camp's part. Real camp directors (like my former SPL, shout out to Tim) stopped offering this MB in camp. Inform other volunteers, and if this camp is in your council, consider bringing the issue up at round table. Help the SM determine if this happened with more than just this MB. Start collecting brochures for other camps. Let the camp director know you are considering going elsewhere next summer.

My apologies if this sounds like I'm talking behind BP's back. I honestly don't know if by resigning, he also abandoned this forum. I'm not sure what the his principle is. He said he watched the video. (I'm assuming prior to completing the survey.) Then, he's indignant over national telling people to watch the video prior to completing the survey. I feel bad that I may have contributed to the rage by considering the "family accessible" mantra as doublespeak. On the other hand, it was National's decision to choose imprecise language to market this concept, and I wrote my SE warning that this tactic would only entrench the boots on the ground of this organization. It's no different than the moms who I love and cherish who are all up in arms about our boys hearing the POTUS speak live. You don't have to like them man, but please respect that our boys are smart enough to apply the good head we're putting on their shoulders. If someone's opinion may be swayed by CSE's golden voice, so be it. But, give National it's due. (Although, really, it would be nice if they provided a link to the video in the survey.)

Bye?

I would rather hear from Johnny Red after he put in a few months trying ... telling us how he got 'er done, or didn't.

Never let the poor behavior of a few overshadow the good of the many.

I already discussed the qualifications of the average DAC/CAC. Seriously, give yours a call and find out how prepared they are to rule on the particulars of venturing awards, or, if they would rather defer to a venturing committee or VOA. Here is the quote in full regarding "ensuring advancement reports" from crew committee challenge (http://www.scouting.org/filestore/training/pdf/511-902_WB.pdf page 15) omitting references to boy scout advancement and my emphasis underlined): Recognition Explain that if any of the participants have been on a troop committee, they will remember that maintaining advancement records, arranging boards of review, and conducting courts of honor were the responsibilities of the committee. Point out that in Venturing, the responsibility for recognition falls to the crew leaders and Advisors. There are no ranks in Venturing, but there are awards that Venturers may earn. While the crew committee does not take an active role in awards and may or may not have a person assigned specifically to awards, the committee still has a supporting function in ensuring the crew’s program offers youth the opportunity for recognition. Ask participants how the crew committee might do this. Answers may include: Cooperate with the crew Advisors on supporting goals for the crew. Work together with the crew Advisors to ensure the youth are recognized properly and promptly for their achievements. Provide expertise for consultants for Venturing awards. Serve on crew reviews for appropriate Venturing awards and boards of review ... when asked. Ensure advancement reports are submitted to the local council. Help the crew’s leaders secure the awards and certificates. From, this, I conclude that the committee serves as mail-clerk, not referee. Resolving disputes over syntax happens only at the pleasure of the youth leadership. Rest assured, I'm not harping on this to be picky. It stems from about the only lesson that I've learned over the past 12 years as an advisor: It is profoundly demoralizing for youth to realize that -- by the book -- something that should be in their purview has been co-opted by an adult. Don't let that happen in your crew.

I had two experiences with different people on a family vacation in Rocky Mt. National Park. The first was on a drive back down from Pike's Peak when two of us stopped to look for a geocache, one person felt two sick to come out of the car, and another person stayed with him while he rested. The first person was fine on the second day, but that was within 24 hours of when the second victim arrived. We hiked up to the continental divide (about 12K ft) and being an MD and an avid runner and having grown up hiking the high Sierras, he was starting to panic about how he felt. We were hitting our turn-around time so it made sense just to walk back down and monitor things. It's amazing what a difference less than 2K ft makes! Good thing, too. His 11 yo daughter needed a piggy back out for the last 6 miles! We don't know the details of this story, but I can understand how intimidating it might be to move camp down-slope just before nightfall. If you never experienced seeing someone recover quickly at lower altitude, you might not believe the benefit is worth the risk.

Again, this boils down to the mission and vision of a particular crew. Crew 123 may envision itself as raising up staff for Camporees and Jamborees (both girl- and boy- scout). Therefore, they may put these events as crew activities through which service is delivered and time helping old ladies across the street as service delivered personally. Meanwhile, Crew 124 may envision itself as making sure old ladies safely traverse boulevards that have cordoned off their community. Therefore, they may mark old lady migration assistance days as crew activities, and going off to staff a scouting event at the standard volunteer rate as service delivered personally. I know, scouting is rife with absolutists -- thanks to the rigid Boy Scout requirements and narrower range of activities, but Venturing is situational. (Or, as I say to new advisors, you're in for a wild ride.) Thus, I re-emphasize, for the sake of every advisor who is beleaguered by envious helicopter parents: tell your committee to follow the rules, butt out of advancement particulars, support the youth's program, do not dictate it! There are more important things for committee's to do. (E.g., finding knowledgeable consultants regarding over-boulevard zip-line harness/helmet combos suitable for little old ladies on shopping day.)

Scouting: not just a natural high.

Well, then, lock all the men who you trust in a room, and tell them to figure out who is going to trade paycheck for smiles. Maybe it will be one of the male guardians who comes to the GSUSA recruiting table. Good luck to you.