Oldscout448

This!!! Some of the best ventures I ever saw dropped out when they hit the 18-19 mark. Why? In their words " We have the skills to go hiking, camping, fishing on our own. We have our own gear, our own cars, some money. We are mostly Eagles so we don't care about more bling on our shirts. No one knows what they are anyway. We just want to hang out with our buds around a campfire, maybe enjoy a beer or two. We just don't need/want all of those silly restrictions that come with Scouting"

Much thanks to all who so kindly responded. The issue has been satisfactorily handled. I'm sorry I gave so few details as to the actual reason for the divorce, but I wasn't at liberty to disclose very much on a public forum.

A scouter has resigned under somewhat unpleasant circumstances, and it is probably in the units best interest to have his name stricken from the rolls. I'm not quite sure how to go about doing this. Neither is the unit commissioner, and we currently don't have a DE. Any ideas who we should contact?

Always loved the double meaning. Although his works at their zenith may have been impossible for even the "mighty " to equal, now there remains of them almost nothing. Even the greatest of rulers and builders die and are forgotten. Their vast kingdoms return to the endless sands of time.

I see on another forum that it's still in production but it's going to be roughly 4" in diameter. As a youth my main interests were scouting, ceremonies, and target shooting. Hmm, I wonder if I can still hit a 4" target at 200 yards.

Only if he asks you point blank. A scout is honest.

HEY!

@skeptic now that I've had a few moments to think, I apologize if I came off as kind of snarky. I realize and you are trying to do what you think is best for scouting, it's just that what you seem to see as scouting and what I see as scouting are two entirely different animals called by the same name. And I must admit that I have an emotional response when I'm told to " check your privilege, get over yourself, stop speaking as a member of your class, etc. Mostly by the twentyish crowd when they cannot find a way to counter my points during a discussion. Again my apologies, Oldsc

@ParkMan you have more of the Christmas spirit than I this day. Thanks, thats more or less what I was thinking. My primary task on troop/ patrol campouts for the last year has been to try and keep the adults in their lane. This is going to make it all but impossible

" Get over your attitudes" ? Exactly when did you got promoted to forum parent? I must have missed the memo/ meeting. Regarding the magazine, it came I read I trashed.

I am convinced that if the earth was indeed flat, the housecats would have pushed everything off the edge with great satisfaction.

Paperwork for rechartering needs to be filed in 12 hours, I still haven't signed. Nor do I plan to. I'm more than a little melancholy but since it will have been exactly 50 years next week since I first put on a boyscout uniform, I guess I shouldn't complain. Been a long fun filled trail. " The road goes ever on and on, out from the door where it began, but I at last with weary feet, turn toward the lighted inn. My evening rest and sleep to meet"

Ok I get you. But WHY is in ILOS at all? It just seems to teach misuse. Which drives the woodworker and tool collector in me nuts! I just hate finding a 50 year old ax with beautiful balance and a laminated steel blade rendered almost useless because some barbarous philistine beat the butt end with a sledgehammer! Ever read any books by Eric Sloan? When I took IOLS 20 years ago. We had a knife and ax instructor who insisted that axes should not be used by scouts at all because they were to slow and dangerous. And therefore to set a "good" example the scouters shouldn't use them eit

As someone else who has chopped, split and stacked many a cord of firewood, here are my 2 cents. Firstly everything Matt and JoeBob said was right on the money. Secondly, if you are chopping, there is just as much difference between a razor sharp blade and a pretty sharp blade, as there is between a pretty sharp and a dull one. A properly honed Estwing half ax will cut thru a two inch thick poplar branch with a single stroke making a clear Ping sound. An ax ground for splitting will not chop well. Likewise an ax honed for chopping is not ideal for splitting. Thus the need for at

As well as a few other things.

You are certainly in a new world, that much is very clear. Utopian or dystopian ? That remains to 'be seen. Boyscouts was designed as an adventure for the boys, Scouts BSA looks like a family camping club with parents, siblings, boys, girls, and everything in between. It has been said on this, and other, forums that the new wave of scouts and scouters are better off without the "old fogey" crowd. That sadly goes both ways. I find myself pondering if I will be able to recommend that my grandsons join cubscouts in 5 years. Then I wonder if the organization will even still exist. I'd

A fool's errand? Of course it is. So when has that ever stopped us? I've been a part of such an attempt twice, once in a poor part of Maryland (tobacco fields and 20 year old pickups), once in a urban setting where ankle monitors on the scouts were not uncommon. From my very limited experience 1- you can NOT help someone who does not want to be helped. All you can do is make sure they know the offer is there. 2- parents have more influence than a scout leader. 3- there are some who are looking for a way out, something better. Even if they try to hide it in order to

I never have understood the LEC obsession with getting the various awards and certifications from National. According to its founder, the OA is supposed to be a thing of the individual and the spirit. In any brotherhood ceremony, I would rather have 10 arrowmen who have taken the admonition to heart, than 100 who just mouthed the words because their SM "encouraged" them to go because the chapter/ lodge needed the numbers. I don't look at anyone wearing an ordeal sash at automatically think "he's not really serious about the Order". If he is a friend to the younger scouts, if he

Well, as a start to the story we now have a charming young lady who wants to join the ceremonies team. Which probably deserves its own thread.

I always worry and fret too nuch beforehand. Most of the horrid scenarios that play out in my head as I'm trying to fall asleep never come to pass. Two and a half days out and we still don't know who two of the principal's will be played by. Guess I'll figure it out when I get there.

Well the fall area ( our lodge is big enough it has areas made up of 4-5 chapters ) Ordeal is this weekend. Lows temps 20-25. That's cabin camping for a lot of troops in this area. I'm wondering if they will put all the candidates in the lodge Friday night. Safety and all that. On a somewhat related topic, our chapter was asked to perform the Ordeal ceremony. The request came last Sunday! Two of our best guys are taking their gf to their high schools homecoming dance. Yikes!

" The best leaders of all are the ones that the people do not know exist. They look at each other and say ' We did it ourselves!' '

That the members of the current Executive committee have "forgotten the faces of their fathers"

I got that bit. It's just that if we knew that a candidate or group of candidates had blatantly refused to complete their ordeal, Kitch would probably not lead them into our Circle. And Nut certainly wouldnt be letting them in if he did. If the adviser chose to give them their sash afterward then that is his prerogative to do so. But he would have quite a fight trying to persuade us to do a ceremony with them present. Hazing? Heck, send 'em to sit in the mess hall and feed them ice cream. Anywhere they want. Just not in our ceremonies ring. That's reserved for them as deserve it.

First round is on me. 18 year old Glenlevit work for you?