MattR

@Armymutt, we do something similar to what you want with a few exceptions. We ask that every family does something for our troop. It can be a couple of hours once a year, it can be quarterly or monthly. We make a list and have a sign up night. If we get half the families to actually help out, it's a win. Some (many?) parents are shy because they don't understand what it is they're asked to do. So we try to pair them up with someone that's done it before. I saw another pack that was one of the best run in the district. They did such a great job everyone was afraid to fill their shoes. It folded right after that group of leaders all aged out. They couldn't find anyone to step up. So, I'd suggest two things. First, think about every parent and identify those that could help, given the right circumstances, and get them together. Then, ask them what they need to be successful after you leave. Don't give them the option of bailing. The pack will continue, here are the jobs that need filling, find multiple people per job and find out what their fears are about doing them. Tell them it doesn't need to be perfect. If the scouts have fun then it's a win. If you invite everyone and only ten parents show up then you're in a better position than you're in now. Make it fun. Do your best. Nothing else matters.

Why do I have a hunch the person that wrote that list just wrote down what he had done in the past month. And the guy that wrote the paragraph about any repair had recently fixed a toilet. I'm doing window trim now so wood skills are high this month. I'd say anything that is in the G2SS is okay. Have fun and just remember, only you know where the goobers are.

Welcome, @LOI47_Sigma. It really depends on what type of Nordic rune it is. Is it right handed or left handed?

When you say you pasted the photo did you use the "Add Files" button in the forum post editor? That's what I used and it worked fine. Either way, it looks like you got it posted.

Is this a browser or OS issue?

Here's a wedding picture of my garbage cans. This is a .jpg. So, what are the file extensions of the images you want to upload? BTW, it may be case sensitive, so .jpg is okay but .JPG is not.

600 hundred = 600x100 = 60,000 months. But you're right in one way. If I have to explain the punch line then it's a lousy joke.

Are we sure about this? 600 hundred months is 5000 years.

No surprise there. I suspect you took my description a little to literally. If the words tcc, stang, kossnoff, rsa, omni, the names of the insurance companies, the judge's name, any dates the case must abide by or plans 1 through 5, put it here. I'm sure I'm missing a lot but will try and keep a list. Honestly, I suspect a lot of people are lurking here because this thread is the best analysis of this case. I suspect there are a few CEs following this as it's the best source of information around. Those not reading this are posting comments like "there's been a deal made and so ...." So, for the most part, this thread is related to the facts and expert opinions of this case. There will always be grey areas but I hope this helps.

@CynicalScouter, I keep moving your posts. Change threads

Posts have been moved

If the judge is talking about it, put it in the ch11.5 thread. If the judge is not talking about it but you think it's related to ch 11, put it here. Honestly, the simplest solution is if the judge is talking about it then put it in the ch11.5 thread, if not start a different thread. Unfortunately, we've tried that for about a year and everything keeps going back to the same thread. This is a forum, not just a single thread. To paraphrase an old TV show, we have the technology The problem with jamming a whole lot of threads into one is that there are people that would rather not read every single post trying to find the few subjects they are interested in. There was a post where someone was seriously asking for help deal with their trauma but it got lost in a long argument about legal vs moral. I'm not sure how moral that was.

I just did move them. Kind surgery with a chain saw. Let me know if I messed up.

I think there's just more opportunity for a scout to find something that resonates them. On the other side of the coin, that takes more adult volunteers. I agree. Unfortunately, you're preaching to the choir. But back to the OP, how many kids in a poverty and crime infested neighborhood can go to Philmont? That's a barrier. Another is setting up units in those areas. As I said above, it requires a lot of volunteers to make this program work. But when those parents are struggling to find time just to make ends meet ... there's another barrier. The BSA has certainly tried to make their program available in poor areas with not much to show for it. I'm not sure it's the right organization to do that but that's a different thread.

We can move them.

Just a friendly reminder, but we split the ch 11 thread such that topics including tcc and bankruptcy plans would stay in the old one and all the other topics that came up about yp, moral vs legal, the future of scouting, etc, would go here.

This is the part that sticks with me. Scouting helps kids that need it. Why is that? And is scouting much different from other activities? Or is it just that scouting just attracts different kinds of kids than, say, sports? In my case I did both scouts and sports and I seemed to have kept different aspects of each (with some overlap). Second, what are the barriers to these types of activities for families in "an urban mess, with a lot of poverty and crime"? Again, is scouting unique? The BSA has been trying to crack that nut for a long time and have failed. I have my suspicions why but lets just say the BSA might benefit from the paper @Armymutt is writing.

I'm voting with there needs to be a better relationship with the CO. That's where all the grief is coming from. It doesn't even matter whether this story is believable, the COR is a pain and the only way to fix that is creating a better relationship with the CO. Also, expecting a better relationship with a new CO, where there's no effort to create a good relationship, is just kicking the can down the road. It may be a lot easier to repair the current relationship than find a new CO. As others have said, go talk to the CO.

@Eagle1993 for CSE!

It will be a lot like this past year - in flux, fewer volunteers, trying to figure out how to recruit.

You can do that. Nothing wrong with saving time.

I have 2 simple goals that could be made smart. 1) Ask a random sample of parents whether they want their children in scouts. Answer on a scale of 1 to 5. 1 is absolutely and 5 is not on your life. Measure the percentage of 1s and set a goal for that. The point is raise awareness of scouting. i.e., get some marketing that works. 2) For those that said absolutely, make them successful volunteers. measure how many are volunteering 3 years later in a gold status unit. i.e., make sure they understand the program, are well trained and helping out. So, I'm not interested in membership numbers. Rather, more visibility and quality units. That all said, the issue i originally brought up was not CSE pay but how much money councils burn through and how much of that is making it to the scouts. I suppose one could set similar goals for councils. How many parents want their kids in the local units and how successful are new parent volunteers?

First of all welcome to the forum. If every patrol is always required to achieve honor patrol then it's fine. However, if this is an extra requirement for a patrol that has a PL needing something signed off then it's an added requirement. Added requirements are not acceptable. I wonder how the patrols respond to this. Will they vote against a scout because they'd rather not do honor patrol? There are better ways to motivate patrols. And that is the key, motivate the entire patrol rather than just the PL.

And the reason they want to raise Cub Scout membership even though cubs get burned out before scouts is bringing in more money. As I said, membership is more important than quality. We're 3/4 of the way through that year and the troops in my district have been told they need to sponsor a pack because so many packs have completely collapsed. On the other hand, I think it gives us the opportunity to find kids that aren't burned out on cub scouts. We just need to figure out how to recruit from the middle schools.

I agree. Still, they have a lot of assets. And since they have so much they've gotten in the habit of spending a lot of their efforts making that pile bigger. So the focus is on money. It is not on the aims or quality of program. If there's ever a choice between increasing membership, units, anything that brings in more money, or increasing the quality of units they always lean on more money. What is more important to a DE, increasing membership and units, or improving quality of existing units? Has a DE ever said let's take 3 weak units and combine them and support it so it's a quality unit and it just brings in more scouts. Eventually, when it's big enough we can split it in two and we'll already have trained volunteers. Or, is it that anyone with 5 kids and no experience that wants to start a unit is encouraged?