John-in-KC

In the Council I serve, the Scoutmaster, who is on the app automatically as one of the reference, must do a reference. All I will say Stosh, is this is lifetime. I've never heard of a Scout being turned down for Eagle and not coming back later on a new application. Are you sure you want the second order consequences which may come with it? Do you interact with his parents in the community, either in business, in church, or in civic activity? Are you going to burn bridges with them? Can you accept that you may be overturned on an appeal, by District, by Council, or by National? Can you accept that you'll be in for some tough questioning 2-6 weeks from now, when the Eagle Board asks you for clarification? Remember: Even denying him your recommendation, by way of signing the Eagle Application, is a an appealable event by ACP&P. Methinks the better thing would be for you and your bride to take the kid to supper, and have a long friendly talk over food about what happened and why. Room for him to apologize, room for you to forgive. After all, as others have said, you've already set consequences for what happened.

When I was a youth member, the PL's duty was to ensure everything else happened, to be an extra pair of hands and arms when needed, and to make sure those who needed a task for training got access to it. I remember when a couple of us were taking Cooking MB. Even then, cooking for the Patrol was part of the requirements. That meant Billy cooked every other campout for several months to get his time in. It was in the 1965 Boy Scout Handbook as well as the Fieldbook of the era.

All I will say guys, is my Council re-registered an 11 year old who went beyond 11/6 in his Pack before moving up. That's ground truth. He wasn't flagged by the Council database (at that point, ScoutNet may or may not have been full blown).

Why aren't the Scouts doing the research? It's their program. Let the PLC figure out, with the SM, what right ought to look like. Now, maybe you're needed for a thunder run to be Acme Cab service to the camp. Frankly, power this down to the PLC. If we want the concept of them being a miniature working democracy, this is the kind of decision, and the kind of decisionmaking research, they, and not the committee, should be doing.

Anecdote: EagleSon was 11 years, 8 months, 20 odd days when he bridged from Pack to Troop in 2001. His mother and I had held him back at K deliberately, for growth and socialization. Our local Council had rechartered him at 11 years, 5 months. He was with his academic year group in moving up to the Troop. I'd check with your local Council registrar and DE. Something tells me there's a fair bit of case by case here.

At 8-10, bling matters a lot. They're 8 year olds. Cut them some slack (BTW, I'm still not fond of the Tiger program, 12 years after I kept my son out of it until Wolf year, and I'm less fond of the proposed 6 year old Lion Program. I have my Lion Book still. Lion is the 10 year old program of Cub Scouting leading into the Webelos half year.... sigh.) What I like to see is how the bling changes over time, and how some of the bling becomes internalized in a young man standing tall and proud when he's 15-16 and receiving his Eagle...

I'll make sure to put a note in when it's time for our 2010 Commish College. We do the RT Staff/RT Commish program annually. My District has been the core of the staff for some years.

Baden, I invite you on the First Thursday of each month, 730PM opening (7 pre opening) to the Internationally Famous North Star District, Heart of America Council District Roundtable. We meet at the Cerner Corporation River Port Training Center, I-435 and Missouri 210 Hwy, KC, MO. 2 RT Commish back, we had a guy who did his Commish College thesis on integrating RT as one stop shopping. It's been our working vision ever since. OH! We don't do EBORs because our District uses Unit EBOR with District Guest.(This message has been edited by John-in-KC)

E92, Here are the sleeping areas I see by YP standards for Venturing: Boys, 11-18 ... if not ASMs but just Venturers, may be 11-21 Girls, 14-21 Adult men over 18 (STAFF) Adult women over 18 (STAFF) Co-registered 18-21, male participants Co-registered 18-21, female participants Frankly, I'm beginning to think the right thing to do is end Young Adult ASMs, and put them in Venturing until 21. Keeps the program clean. Of course, the National OA committee would have conniption fits about THAT. Here's a question for emb: Why is YOUTH TRAINING seen as volunteer development? Is it not PROGRAM?(This message has been edited by John-in-KC)

Becasue it's part of the admission test to enter the program...

SR540Beaver is on his way to a CD's conference in Texas. It'll be interesting to hear what he has to report back...

DenZero, You may want to think about getting a new unit flag, and using that one for the really big ceremonies (B&G and such). It's got a lot of history under its belt now; it'd be a shame to lose that touchstone.

Because I don't have a Jewish grandmother. Because my last grandmother left this vale of tears not quite 35 years ago.

I'm not sure what Bushmills Black Bush and Jameson is? Sterilization?

It also ignores the small matter of "ages and stages". There's a fair bit of difference between the typical 14 year old 8th grader and the 17 year old about to be HS senior. There's a greater difference between the 14 year old boy and the 17 year old girl. I assume Venturing YP standards (4 sleeping areas, females mandatory on staff if there are females enrolled as students, ad infinitum) will apply to this new course.

Family Camping means 1/1, with the exception of sibs under a parent can be sibs/1. Parents, married, need not be registered. In my Council, anyone else, to include non-custodial parents, must be registered Scouters. The no 1/1 contact rule of YP kicks in swiftly when there isn't a blood family relationship. In other words, through your CM, contact your UC or DE. Winter camping depends not just on raw temp, but on a persons' gear and ability to operate in colder climes. If your families are equipped to handle the high desert, take them there. If their camping gear doesn't support below 60F, don't take them there. Having gotten my "raindrop" award in Troop 110 long ago, if families lack viable rain gear, don't go in a 45F rain. First dictum: Common sense applies.

lrsap, Issue is, they are Cubs for but 3 years. They can be Boy Scouts far longer. Maybe each DEN buying a letter as the youth contribution.

Roundtable is a function of the Commissioner's Service. It's first major function is to present the National Program for the coming month(s) to direct contact unit Scouters. To do that, each major program (Cub, Boy, Venturing) has a designated Commissioner for the event, and each RT Commish has a staff. I've never seen a Varsity Huddle, so I cannot tell you about those. How Districts implement RT depends on the District. In mine, we share a facility and a night. We also share a common area "the District Mall." Each RT commish ensures we train the program, but we also have a host of breakout sessions. In the District I serve, we strive to provide the Unit-serving Scouter "one-stop shopping:" - Cub Scout RT is running a model Pack meeting, and has breakout sessions for T, W/B, Web and Pack leadership. - Boy Scout RT has sessions devoted to the Program theme, as well as specific skill trainings, as well as a host of common displays (MB of the month, first aid skill of the month, Knotmasters, and on, and on, ...) - The Professional staff has a table, and will take anything that needs to go to Council. - The District Commissioner has a table, but you'll usually find him gripping, grinning and listening around the building - The District Advancement Operating Committee does Eagle Leadership Service Project reviews. - The District Training Operating Committee furnishes: -- This is Scouting -- Youth Protection -- Merit Badge Counselor Orientation (together with the Advancement Committee) - The District Relationships Operating Committee provides a Religous Emblems Display coordinator. (He's also up on religous emblems programs going on in our District). - The District Activities and Camping Operating Committees have tables and sometimes more (like when Camporee or Webelos Woods rolls round). - The OA Chapter meets concurrently (it's a rides thing) We typically have 250 Scouters and 50 Scouts between everything going on.

Have specific night clothes, to include good woolen socks. As others have said, a watch cap helps tremendously! As far as pads, when I was a youngster in the Army we still used air mattresses. I always put an Army wool blanket between my sack and the matt; otherwise, the rubber catches your sweat.

As I recall, the health authorities are only testing for swine flu if the "go to Doc or ER" criteria are met. The one I remember most of all in those is sustained high fever. Of course, that's in my neck of the woods. Your health departments can (and probably do) vary.

Both of the above, but a bit more the latter than the former. Boomers, Gen X, and Gen Y have all been relatively easy generations for Americans. Even in Vietnam, the majority of young men did not go to war. We've not had to deal with the Depression. In spite of all, 10% unemployment is not 27% unemployment. A luxurious life as we Americans lead it can lead to discourtesy by simply not appreciating what's normal and reasonable. OTOH, the pressure of modern society far, far outstrips the pressure on our parents in their youth, and I cannot imagine the pressure my son feels at university ... and I'm one of the folks who puts him under pressure. A century ago, 8th grade was good enough ... then it became 12th, now? I'd say 2 years beyond high school, in vo-tech or college, is the absolute floor to decent employment. Those extra years of edcation cost, they're not free. We've also, B, become more compartmentalized ... in part thanks to the branch of your profession called ambulance chasers. We don't say hi because we don't want to risk knowing others.

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As I recall, there is a 12" square replica WOLF patch made by Supply Corporation. If you used that, and had a seamstress do the rest, you probably could make a Pack Flag. That said, if your unit was to have a seamstress create a trademarked patch, you'd be in violation of BSA trademarks. While 1 flag won't send the lawyers from Irving, if Mrs Smith the seamstress were to start doing many of them... From my experience, National Supply isn't bad on pricing unit flags. Is there a reason you want one privately made?

No, it's still his fault. It'll be his fault 7 years and 3 months from now, too. Sigh. Like so many others, Scoutldr, thoughts and prayers for their recovery. Of course, chicken soup is the home-made curative for the flu... Here's my recipe for home-made chicken soup. You'll need a large Dutch for this. 5 lbs chicken parts (I prefer dark meat, so I use leg quarters. Besides, they're inexpensive) Water to cover. Spices as you see fit (my mix is bay leaf, sage, thyme, cumin (just a shake), oregano, basil, parsely, and Mrs Dash table). Bring to the boil. As it comes to the boil, remove scum. Lower heat and simmer 2 hours. After 1 hour if you like, add diced carrots and celery. At the end of simmer time, remove the chicken, remove skin, and debone. At this point, remove the stock to a smaller pot and remove grease cooked out. Return stock and chicken to Dutch, bring back to boil. Add commercial chicken broth as needed for the level of soupiness you like. Add egg noodles (I use a noodle about the same size as angel hair pasta) and cook until noodles are soft per package directions. Serve and enjoy. (This message has been edited by John-in-KC)

Actually, he looks like he's wearing the office wool slacks that many Professionals wear...