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  1. 2 points
    My default answer is maybe.....Here's what I believe the requirement states (from https://oa-bsa.org/about/membership): Have experienced 15 nights of camping while registered with a troop, crew, or ship within the two years immediately prior to the election. The 15 nights must include one, but no more than one, long-term camp consisting of at least five consecutive nights of overnight camping, approved and under the auspices and standards of the Boy Scouts of America. Only five nights of the long-term camp may be credited toward the 15-night camping requirement; the balance of the camping (10 nights) must be overnight, weekend, or other short-term camps of, at most, three nights each. Ship nights may be counted as camping for Sea Scouts. Now, beyond the fact the final clause could be interpreted to mean any camping is acceptable for the 10 nights, (it specifically doesn't say BSA), the Cub family camp is clearly BSA. My decision point would be this, if they were along to help with the camp out, putting on an event, cooking, even participating/being an example to the Cubs, I'd be inclined to say yes they count. If they were drug along by mom and/or dad and spent the weekend playing on their phones, I'd say no.
  2. 2 points
    Not sure if this is the right place for this: OK so here is my post mortem of the Philmont Winter Adventure trip. Fact: We are from Texas and not accustomed to cold weather. We were a crew of mixed youth with 40% of the youth not knowing the others. 50% of the Adults were mixed and didn’t know the others. Overview: This was an amazing adventure that pushed the youth (and adults) to limits that they never knew they could overcome. They not only survived the experience, they had a fun time doing it. They all would rather not be in a tent in sub-zero weather again and would rather be cabin based during the nights. But this experience taught them how they could survive the elements in a manner they could not have learned without doing it. They all got to attempt to snowshoe, cross country ski, sled, and downhill ski. Sledding and downhill skiing was their favorite activities. Which is not surprising. Day 1: We drove from Austin to Amarillo. https://photos.app.goo.gl/RTbXHwGC6uN76qkH8 We stayed at the Kwahadi museum overnight. There was snow on the ground but it was warm inside. In fact, too warm. Sleeping arrangements where ground pads and sleeping bags on a cement floor. https://photos.app.goo.gl/gvXE3DNsDDHBjoyt5 We ate dinner at the Big Texan Steak Ranch restaurant. The food was meh, but you go there for the experience. It was about $20-30 a head, more that we were looking for but it worked out. https://photos.app.goo.gl/mdQy5u4yMTpYk8dn6 Day 2: We drove from Amarillo to Philmont. Stop at the Subway in a gas station in Springer just off of I-25. That is the last food until Philmont. Don’t ask why I know this….. https://photos.app.goo.gl/NsLUWXZk4nhVpmmg6 Arrival at Philmont, we met our ranger and he guides us through the process. You turn in your paperwork and start the gear checkout process. Philmont provides all the necessary gear so it is pretty easy and they want you to stay alive. After gear check out, you have dinner in the dining hall and then attend a presentation about how to survive in the snow. We started experiencing some crew storming already at this point(Mainly the adults). It is cold and people are starting to get on edge. https://photos.app.goo.gl/rpf9uCYzirJxKxmJ9 You prepare the you gear for the backcountry on the sleds and what stays in the dorms for when you return. Day 3: You do a medical re-check to ensure you will survive. https://photos.app.goo.gl/mLiseiEZpXGbYqPS8 Pack the sleds of gear into the trucks and head out to the backcountry. The eating process begins….. You have two 1-gallon bags of food that you are supposed to continually eat for the next two days, in order to not freeze to death. You will become sick of eating. It is work to continue snacking. I never thought I would say that. After about a 40 minute drive you arrive at the base of the path that you will take to your campsite. You reassemble the gear sleds, don snowshoes, and begin the 2 mile hike up the hill in the snow dragging your gear via a gear snow sled. This is much harder than we expected but we made it to base camp in Miranda just under Mt. Baldy. It was gorgeous! https://photos.app.goo.gl/h1TYE7AcDp7J25ai7 https://photos.app.goo.gl/zzDtEkXs7tWhKBE37 Tents are setup and the snow kitchen is made. By the time this is done, it is almost time to eat dinner and bed down. It is surprising how long it takes to get to this point. Dinner is the only hot meal of the day and it is boiled in a pot and eaten directly from the packaging. It isn’t that bad. https://photos.app.goo.gl/L6NbPjYRPnNiJdCG6 https://photos.app.goo.gl/dUEn5dd7pi7gzqFd6 You boil water and put it in a Nalgene water bottle for warmth. You go to bed at 6pm, because the temperature drops like a rock. You no bundle up in you sleeping bag and all your gear in a tiny tent until 6am when the sun returns. This was the hardest part. It is freezing (-4 degrees), you are trapped in a tiny tent and it is dark and isolated. No noise, no light, no heat…. Some flip out at this point…. (ok, that was me). After the panic and bailing out of the tent for a short time you attempt to sleep again. Now if you look up in the sky while you see the most amazing sky. I personally saw several shooting stars. It is gorgeous and freezing at the same time. Boots were difficult to remove because the shoe laces were frozen together. You fight the urge to tend to natures call because you don't want to struggle with the boots, get dressed, and get out of the tent. You give in and go through the procedure to go. When you can’t sleep like me, you gets some nice night sky pictures. https://photos.app.goo.gl/DQR2fmQH4xtinYyEA https://photos.app.goo.gl/mDAxWep5CmHS93CYA Day 4: You wake up when the sun is out and escape the dreaded tent. You start eating….. again…… https://photos.app.goo.gl/scVPGA4PgHkFV3gX6 https://photos.app.goo.gl/t3wDjqu2Kb7K2TEP7 They begin working on building a Quinzee. While we waited for the snow to settle we tried cross country skiing and headed down the hill to sled. https://photos.app.goo.gl/zVY3MyRRRFQ4tFHHA We joined up with Troop/Crew 464 from Pearland, TX and had a fun time sledding together. We then had a competition against each other showing off our skills we learned on the snow already. We had a relay race that included cross country skiing, snow shoeing, and sledding. Everyone tried their best and had a great time. https://photos.app.goo.gl/yfjhydcdSs3jURbd8 The quinzhee was finished but nobody was brave enough to sleep in it. After dinner, we scurried into our tents for another cold night, this time was warmer at -2. And sleeping was easier this night. Day 5: After waking up we worked together as a team to pack up base camp and load up our sleds. The walk down the hill with the sleds took 1/3 the amount of time on the way up. https://photos.app.goo.gl/rpKFKmmMRk1nGtYa9 Then we headed back to Philmont base camp. Turned in our gear and headed off to go pick up our downhill skis from the ski resort. Made it back to Philmont for a relaxing night in a heated cabin. We slowly thaw and feel everything is too hot, even though it is cold, we have acclimated already to sub-zero temps. Day 6: We headed out early in a morning for a day of downhill skiing. The group took a lesson together and learned the basic skills of skiing. The rest of the day was spent testing out what we learned at Red River Ski resort. The ride back to Philmont was filled with tales of their skiing crashes and laughter. Everyone was very happy. https://photos.app.goo.gl/B2aSZLN61M6Grfi9A Day 7: We visited the National Scouting Museum and saw historical pieces from the start of scouting and OA. It was a pretty cool sight. https://photos.app.goo.gl/dv21VYZrJj5NEpS19 We headed off towards home. We stopped in Amarillo at Cadillac ranch and got to spray paint buried cadillacs. (It is a sanctioned are exhibit that is unique) https://photos.app.goo.gl/EVDNrxgoKBJBXcEM7 That night we stayed at a church in Lubbock. We were guests of Troop 406 that has been around since 1925. They were very welcoming and it was really cool to see the pictures from the many years the troop has been around. https://photos.app.goo.gl/ozDcCjQ8W6hW2mgeA https://photos.app.goo.gl/N5JUSVr4ojBr9gs27 Day 8: We finally drove the final stretch home and finally arrived to our homes and families to tell the tales of our trip. It was a very hard trip for our scouts but it is a trip they will always remember for the rest of their lives.
  3. 1 point
    I feel badly for your son, and also for the other boys. None of them "earned" the mB, and worse none gained much of anything from the "adult association" nor from the class. I AM a trained, certified educator and as a mB counselor I refuse to "teach a class" and I abhor the use of the workbooks. Scouts is not supposed to be school; nothing of the sort. I am saddened that many requirements tend to gravitate towards school-like work and districts/councils have mB "colleges". This makes advancement no longer a method, but the purpose; IMO that is wrong.
  4. 1 point
    I always get sad when I hear about a MB class that is an eight hour lecture. The only time I've seen class based do well is when there is something that makes it personal and connects with the scout. An eight hour lecture is not scouts and not how we do things. Filling in blanks on a worksheet is not scouting and does NOT replace the requirement to interact and fulfill the expectations. What I mean is a class is okay if it's wood working and the scouts go to a wood shop to do projects with the guidance of the MBC. Or it's photography and the scouts run around with cameras, etc. Or canoeing and they have a lake with a canoe for every two scouts. Scouting is active. Doing. Moving. Action oriented. Power point is not scouting. Doing worksheets is definitely not scouting. QUESTION - Did your scoutmaster recommend the out of council MB class? Did you promote it to your scout? I say this as parents (myself too) get almost more excited about scouting than our kids. Then we sign them up for things that we think would check-the-box or get-it-done when it might not be a good fit. KEY POINT - I've taken my sons to MB opportunities many times over the years. I've watched. If my sons ask to leave because it's dry or boring or ... , I'm okay with them leaving. Key point --> It's better to leave if it's not a good match for your son. The badge is great and getting-it-done is great. But, I'm really looking for my sons to have eye opening experiences at this point. If they are not going to get that, then the badge is not worth it. Great ... Archaeology done with a park ranger at his personal archaeology dig site was great. Brief class room with quirky college archaeology teacher added to it. Great experience. Bad ... Exploration done in a sunday school / church 2nd grade day care class room with MBC filling in without expertise clearly damaged my scout's expertise. Good ... Aviation done in a private plane hanger under the plan wing ... good. Bad ... Aviation done in a small day care class room with someone filling in ... bad Great ... Welding and metal working in a maintenance shed with tools and grime. Bad ... 60 minutes of re-reviewing first aid before every merit badge A class room with worksheets and a long lecture for a scout with dyslexia is not a good match. It's better for you and your scout to leave and go spend the day at the zoo and have a nice lunch. That class might be okay for some scouts. Some may get the badge. Many will definitely have a bad experience. IMHO, don't chase merit badges. Chase the great experiences. The merit badges will follow.
  5. 1 point
    Where they just family camping with the Cubs or were they acting as Den chiefs or similar roles. I would approve it if the boys were actively helping and training the cubs. But not if it was just a family campout. Just my two cents
  6. 1 point
    Agree it is sort of vague as to whether this would / should be counted in the 15 nights. As with many things in Boy Scouts, you as the SM will need to use your best judgement to ensure the requirements are met and you are not adding or subtracting to/from them. Yes you have some latitude. Approved - that would seem to imply that the camping event and/or outing would need to be reviewed prior to the event with the Troop leadership. Typically the monthly troop outings would be assume to be approved, can be a grey area for a cub outing with siblings under the auspices = with the help and support of (someone or something) standards of the Boy Scouts of America = well, that is subjective as no leadership from the troop was likely in charge and that is a broad statement
  7. 1 point
    @Proudeagle welcome to scouter.com
  8. 1 point
    2 Scouts (or 1 Scout and a buddy) meeting with 1 counselor. Source: explanation given to Scouts, found in Boy Scout Handbook, for earning a merit badge.
  9. 1 point
    Scout Investiture- PL, SPL, and SM Lights go out and the room is illuminated by a single candle, the Spirit of Scouting, on a table at the front of the room. Also on the table are two log candelabras, one holding three candles, and the other twelve. The Senior Patrol Leader and Scoutmaster are behind the table. The candidate(s) for membership wait in the back along with their Patrol Leader(s). When all is ready, the patrol leader(s) lead the candidate(s) down the aisle to the table where the candle is burning.) Halfway to the front, the SPL stops the New Scout and PL. SPL: HALT. Who are you bringing into our troop PL: I bring (SCOUT'S NAME(S) 0 who wants to join Troop xx and has earned his Scout Rank SPL: Bring him forward. PL brings the new Scout forward and stands beside them. SPL picks up the lighted candle: SPL: “This candle represents the spirit of Scouting. As we welcome you into the fellowship of Troop XX we want you to stop and think about what it means to be a Scout. Besides going on outings and camping trips, it’s doing you best to live up to the Scout Oath and Law. Please make the Scout Sign and repeat after your Patrol Leader the Scout Oath and Law.” PL will say the Scout Oath in sections. The SPL will light the three candles of the Scout Oath candelabra when the new Scout(s) say “To God and My Country” “To Help Other People” and “To Keep Myself….” PL: “On my Honor… …I will do my best… …to do my duty… …TO GOD AND MY COUNTRY… …to obey the Scout Law… …TO HELP OTHER PEOPLE AT ALL TIMES… …TO KEEP MYSELF… …physically strong… …mentally awake… …and morally straight.” PL will now slowly say the Scout Law. The SPL will light each candle when the new Scout repeat each point. PL: “A Scout is TRUSTWORTHY... … LOYAL… …HELPFUL… …FRIENDLY… …COURTEOUS… …KIND… …OBEDIENT… …CHEERFUL… …THRIFTY… …BRAVE… …CLEAN… … and REVERENT.” SPL now places the Spirit of Scouting candle on the table. SM: “When you entered the room, the only light was a single candle representing the Spirit of Scouting, the fun and adventure of your program. It didn’t provide a lot of light, and you could see very little. Then your Patrol Leader led you into the room, The Senior Patrol Leader, the chief scout of Troop XX stopped you and asked if you were ready to join the troop. When your patrol Leader answered for you, and brought you to the front. Your Patrol Leader then had you repeat the Scout Oath and Law, making you a Boy Scout. As you said the Oath, the Senior Patrol Leader lit a candle representing the three points of the Scout Oath: Duty to God and Country, Duty to Others, and Duty to Self. Then the Senior Patrol Leader lit the 12 candles representing the 12 points of the Scout Law. With the 15 candles lit, the room became brighter, a beacon for all to see. By living the Scout Oath and Law in your lives, you will become a beacon for others. Now that you are Boy Scout, you will receive three items tonight.” SPL: “The first item you will receive tonight is your troop neckerchief. It is one of the original Scout uniform items still in use, and that is because it is the most useful. On it you will see our troop number, XX and our hometown so all will know who you are. It is worn under an open collar. I give you this charge, DO NOT BE THE FIRST TO DISGRACE IT.” PL raises the collar and SPL places the neckerchief on the Scout. SPL: The second item you will receive is your troop woggle. A Scout Woggle is made of cord and it has three braided strands. The three strands stand for the three principals of the Scout Oath: Duty to God and Country, Duty to Self, Duty to Others. The woggle is tied in a circular manner to resemble a neverending knot to symbolize the unity of Scouting. The color red was chosen because it represents our charter organization, XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Methodist Church. SPL hands woggle(s) to PL(s) and the PL places the woggle on the neckerchief SM: The last item you will receive tonight is you Scout Rank. The shape of the Scout Rank is the arrowhead or Fleur-de Lis used as the North Point on mariners’ compasses. It represents that Scouting points you the right way in your life just like a compass in the field. It is the basic shape that all Scout badges build upon, and it is the international symbol of Scouting worldwide. Let’s welcome our newest Scout with a round of applause. Pause SPL TO PL AND NEW SCOUT. You two may now be seated pAUSE. SPL: I now declare this Court of Honor open for business.
  10. 1 point
    Ok here goes, the ceremony we did about five times a year. Remember back then you bridged individually at your 11th birthday. The troop is called to attention, the boy joining The Troop is called up onto the stage at one end of the room by the senior patrol leader. He asks if it is truly his wish to become a member of troop 448. Upon receiving an affirmative reply he turns to Patrick. " Pat as the scout who has been in this troop the longest, will you induct this new scout into our troop?" Pat steps up onto the stage (in full dress uniform medals, sash, the whole nine yards) strikes a match and lights a candle in a single holder saying " I light this candle which represents the Spirit of Scouting (room lights go out at this point) With it I will light these three red ' candles representing the three parts of the Scout Oath, and these twelve white candles which represent the points of the Scout Law" " Raise your hand in the scout sign (Pat raises his hand here) and repeat after me." "A scout is Trustworthy" (lights the first white candle) "A scout is Trustworthy" echos the new scout. From off stage a deep voice speaks " a Scouts Honor is to be trusted. If he were to violate his honor by telling a lie or by cheating or by not doing exactly a given task, when trust it upon his honor, he may be directed to hand over his Scout badge. A scout is loyal. ( lights the second candle. ) He is loyal to whom all loyalty is due, is scout leader, is home and parents and Country. A scout is helpful. He must be prepared at any time to save life, help injured persons, and cheer the home duties. He must do at least one good turn to somebody everyday. A scout is friendly. He is a friend to all and her brother to every other Scout. A scout is courteous. He is play to all, especially to women, children, old people, and the weak and helpless. He must not take pay for being helpful or courteous. A scout is kind. He's a friend to animals. He will not kill nor hurt any living creature needlessly, but will strive to save and protect all harmless life. A scout is Obedient He obeys his parents, scoutmaster, patrol leader, and all other duly constituted authorities. A scout is Cheerful He smiles whenever he can, is obedience to orders is prompt and cheery. He never shirks nor grumbles at hardships. A scout is Thrifty He does not wantonly destroy property. He works faithfully, wastes nothing, and makes the best use of his opportunities. He saves his money so that he may pay his own way, be generous to those in need, and helpful to worthy objects. He may work for pay, but must not receive tips for courtesies or good turns. A scout is Brave He has the courage to face danger in spite of fear and to stand up for the right against the coaxing of friends or the jeers or threats of enemies, and defeat does not down him. A scout is Clean He keeps clean and body and thought; stands for clean speech, clean sport, clean habits; and travels with a clean crowd. A scout is Reverent ( lights the last white candle ) He is reverent towards God. He is faithful in his religious duties and respect the convictions of others in matters of custom and religion. Pat now tells the new scout " Now we will recite the Scout Oath together" and starts off " On my honor..." lighting the red candles as they go. But Pat gets quieter and quieter until at the end the scout speaking alone. " although I put out this candle which represents the spirit of scouting is (Pat blows it out here) it will now live on in this scout until it is lighted again at our next investiture ceremony. Lights go back on, and every one shakes the hand if the newest member of the troop. Left handed of course.
  11. 1 point
    Just gave it a try and got the following error message: Requests to the server have been blocked by an extension. This is at work, on a school computer, so could have something to do with our network. I will look at it again when I get home. I did a number of the new Scouts BSA segments earlier in the week, but with all the updates they are pushing out, I would not be surprised if there are issues.
  12. 1 point
    I heard that all Council girl numbers are up this year.
  13. 1 point
    I'd expand upon this. Even Scouters WITH experience as a youth, may have it wrong because of their youth experiences. I know of one Eagle Scout SM who does not like to camp. He came up in the 1970s ISP and rarely went camping. If the weather is not going to be picture perfect, he cancels. Doesn't understand the need for all the camping, when earning Eagle is the goal. I knew another Eagle whose troop was micromanaged by the SM. While active, the SM was the one deciding on trips, dictating cooking requirements, etc. Long story short, he ran his troop the same exact way. And don't even try get him to training, He's an Eagle and knows what to do. Regarding Wood Badge and other training. 1) Training has been dumbed down since I went through it many years ago. So much is left out. I think the current training gives some folks a false sense of knowledge and security. 2) The current Wood Badge, in an attempt to be "One size fits all" does not do enough justice to the programs. It does not cover the different programs adequately enough. And from what I've read and seen, the material for Scouts in the course use to be covered in the old Scoutmaster Fundamentals training.
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