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I've reached out and been given POC in the past at Philmont and they have given me materials. I am NCAP certified, is that why I was given POC access and given materials when I asked?
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I am not an accountant; however, I believe this is going to fall under injury compensation at the IRS and become not taxable.
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beascout.org can display multiple units with the same number- we have a number of examples of this within our council. A single CO can also sponsor more than one troop of the same gender- again, we have examples of this in our council. Several years ago now, Lodges were asked to do a clean-up and synch to National by updating/adding unit OAIDs from National. With those IDs in place, Lodgemaster can synch some unit information to the National database. We never had any issue with Venturing crews that were 0###, 00##, or 000#, so i suspect there is actually two fields in the National database- the actual unit ID as assigned by National, and then whatever ID the local council is using to identify.
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I Think It Is Time to Shut Down the Troop
Tron replied to Eagle94-A1's topic in Open Discussion - Program
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Arkie started following First Scout week trip in 31 years
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Best of luck to you! Look forward to reading a recap.
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As said above most units share the same number if chartered by the same org. I do know of 1 unit in council that has the same CO and their female troop has a completely different unit number so I am assuming multiple unit numbers tied to a CO are possible but probably not preferred. As others have said I also have the understanding that units are actually 4 digit in the national system; however, I think that the leading number could be different from council-to-council due to mergers. My council has a few troops with the same unit number because of council mergers. My understanding is that when the councils merged every unit that conflicted received a leading number if they were newer than the oldest conflicting unit (EG: 0222 is 50 years old, they didn't change, but 0222 from the other council was only 12 years old and became 6222 in the system and both are allowed to wear 222 on their uniforms). My council seems to have applied a 6 prefix to one former council and other prefix numbers to units from other former councils, and a third from the absorbing council; the oldest unit regardless of original council always gets first dibs on keeping the leading zeros.
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Armymutt started following First Scout week trip in 31 years
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Tomorrow I head off on my first Scout week trip since the summer I turned 19. Back then, the troop consisted of my Scoutmaster who had been in the troop since 1933, the ASM who had been in since around 1960, my friend and fellow 18 y/o ASM, me, and three kids we recruited out of the 5th grade class of our old school at the beginning of the school year. We had a great time at our old camp - water skiing, motorboating, pioneering, a float trip, an overnight canoe trip, and various evening activities. I haven't been to a council camp/merit badge factory since the summer before I quit Scouting in 6th grade. We'll see how this goes. It's my son's first one. I intend to keep my distance from him as much as possible. He'll need to be his own person at the end of July when he attends another camp.
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I know they are all four digits, at least in beascout. Most units drop the leading zero(s) if they are there. Maybe for us it follows the pattern described above, going by CO.
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Again, I’m guessing this is local. All units in our council are 4 digits. Most, not all boy troops start with a 1, some with a 2. Most packs are 4, some start 3. All crews start with a 9. Ships I’ve seen start with 1. Almost all girl troops start with a 6, but one starts with a 1.
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AwakeEnergyScouter started following How to save a rapidly dying Troop.
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How to save a rapidly dying Troop.
AwakeEnergyScouter replied to ColorBoomScouting's topic in Open Discussion - Program
Apologies for the late response, but you have your answer (or at least a big part of it) yourself to what happened in just 10 years hyperlocally right here. It's not that nobody is interested in scouting, it's the interest in single-gender scouting that's declined. It's the same in my council - coed units are doing better as a whole than single-gender units. This matters because if you did manage to boost interest in scouting in your community, it wouldn't necessarily result in a surge of new members for you if what's happening empirically is that coed units are healthy and single-gender ones less so. Also, think about crossover friend group and family dynamics - friend groups from family packs have to choose between splitting up the group or choosing a coed troop. I see this happening in slow motion for the AOLs in my pack now. Because of older siblings and tight den friend groups, the coed troop AOLs crossed over into three years ago is going to get at least three years of AOLs from us, and us adult leaders with them. The core AOL patrol friend group is tight and wants to stick together, so no single-gender troop had a chance no matter how well run they are because there are well-run coed troops that they can choose. If you want to solve this problem, you're going to have to figure out who does want single-gender troops and how to reach them. I'm the wrong person to have guesses, but you know your community better than strangers on the Internet anyway. Who in your community might share your reasons for wanting single-gender scouting? Articulate the value proposition clearly and go tell those people. -
When BSA began welcoming females into Scout Troops and Cub Packs (Explorer Posts and Venturererer Crews already) our Council wasn't sure how to proceed, so they said "pick a number". Our home Troop, 759, welcomed a sister Troop 7592. Seemed to work. Money changed hands, papers signed. Then, they said "no, we need a better, clearer destinction" , so later Troops/Packs became, at least on paper/Scoutnet denoted as (forinstance) 222B and 333G. letters show the gender difference. and the number strip on the sleeve will be only numbers.... So it is written, so shall it be... Or Gee....
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National's computer system use a 4 digit code for units. if memory serves if the starting number is 3 is the national code for Cubs; 0 is the national code for boy troops, 5 is the national code for Ships, and 6 is for Crews. I do not think there was a national consensus for girl troops as in my area 7 designates girl troops.
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Most of our council's linked troops sort of share a number. When I say sort of share all of our Cub packs begin with a 3, as in 3100; all of our male troops begin with a zero and would wear 100; all of our female troops begin with a 4 and a troop flag would say 4100 (some of those troops choose to just wear the 3 digit number, some the 4 digit, wish they would all do the same thing); ships all have a 5 prefix that makes them 5100.
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I Think It Is Time to Shut Down the Troop
Eagle94-A1 replied to Eagle94-A1's topic in Open Discussion - Program
One of the things that set this sentiment off yesterday, is I got a call from our 2nd summer camp adult asking if it was possible to either get a replacement, and when I told him that might not be possible, or only come for half a week. Guy has known for several months that it was just going to be me and him, and was reminded a few weeks ago. While his physical states he has no limitations, he didn't tell his MD he was going to summer camp. And with the issues he is having, he should not be going to camp at all IMHO. I may have a replacement, pending getting registered. But to do that, the troop is paying his registration fee, normally adults and scouts are responsible with fundraising paying for supplies and camp outs. And I am paying for his physical at an immediate care since he cannot see his PCP before we leave Sunday. This made me realize that without adequate adult support, we cannot have the program the Scouts want. They want to go whitewater rafting. They want to go backpacking. They want the adventure. But If we cannot get 2 adults over 21 to do them, is it worth keeping the troop alive to say we are alive? I do not think so. After summer camp, I want to meet with our COR. past SM, and if he is willing the CC (CC is ticked off at a decision I made. Stated he will no longer go camping with the troop, and has not been to any meetings, including one where 2 BORs were being held). Topic will be to fold the troop. I know the immediate SM's response ( whatever you decide I am fine with) and the CC's response ( Hell no we are not folding). But I want the COR involved in this, and to come up with a plan either way. The point may be moot anyway if we do not get a 5th Scout before December. -
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In your council. Our council the packs, boy troop, girl troops, and crews all have different numbers.
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Sadly, the CO has a number, and all units associated with that CO: Pack, Troops, Ship, or Crew would have the same number. CC, and COR would need to crack down on the girls unit. There are a few cases where the CO has multiple numbers, but those are rare.
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Armymutt started following Girl troop numbering
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I'm curious how other councils number girl troops, and the reason. Ours takes the same number as the associated boy troop, which is confusing. To unofficially (not on beascout) separate the two, a G is added to the girl troop. To me, they are separate entities and should have different numbers. It's becoming more of an issue as the troops develop different styles of leadership. We had a summer camp adult leader huddle tonight to go over the rules of summer camp. Apparently, our CC (for both units) has had to deal with council investigations one every summer trip for the past couple of years. While the CC was talking, the boy troop adult leadership stood quietly, dressed in uniforms. The girl troop leadership had the SM in uniform and the other two adult leaders dressed in random assortment of clothing, cracking jokes. The girl's troop is the one that seems to be the driver of the investigations. I don't want to be associated with that sort of organization.
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I Think It Is Time to Shut Down the Troop
Eagle94-A1 replied to Eagle94-A1's topic in Open Discussion - Program
I believe I have found a good home for them. The troop has a similar philosophy regarding advancement, and they have an active Cub Scout pack.. So they have future. And their program is strong. Talking to the UC, that unit and ours were not the ones he was worried about, until I told him the situation. The reason for waiting until the end of the charter year is that we do have some money to spend in the unit account, and I do not want that money going to council. Under the new Charter Agreement, they are supposed to get that money, and they put us into this position. I really want the money to stay with the church in the hope they can restart the troop in the future. I didn't think of that, and that is a good point. We will probably end a month before recharter, as we have an activity planned that no one will want to miss. -
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I Think It Is Time to Shut Down the Troop
InquisitiveScouter replied to Eagle94-A1's topic in Open Discussion - Program
Thanks for your volunteer service. At some point, the uphill battle becomes too steep to continue. If you have no other options, discreetly find a good home you can recommend to your Scouts, and get them transitioned there ASAP. Recommend you not wait until the Troop does not recharter, then do the transfers... that could cause a break in continuity that may cause some to drop all together. Do you already have a solid unit they could go to? -
I have been fighting this battle for some time. The troop is now down to 4 active Scouts. Council will not help with recruiting, I have asked them for help, and was told no. Then they wonder why we have not participated in council sales or do FOS.. Trying to plan next year, and 2 prime camping months are taken up by an activity 3 of the members are in. Plus there will be last minute stuff popping up causing us to postpone, or even cancel trips. This year we were lucky, but last year we had to cancel multiple trips. And finally we have are starting to have a challenge with having enough adults. All of the adults have some health issues, and also limits what we can do. And I was just informed today that my second adult for summer camp may not be able to make it. We leave Sunday. I will be having a more detailed conversation tonite. I'm tired and burnt out with the troop. And I am also very frustrated with the council. I used to be active on the district and council level. When they needed something, and I was able to help, I did. Heck they told me I was in charge of an event with 60 days get it up and running. And now they cannot help us with recruiting. And before you say we are responsible, we have done everything we could. In fact I have recruited more girls for the only girls troop. But worse is that they are upping the council fees. In addition to the national charter and registration fees, council is now charging each Scout an additional $50 council fee, and each unit $112.50 PER SCOUT council "fair share" fee. We have families that need help, and they keep adding fees. I think once the charter is finished, so is the troop.
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Hello all, I received my Adobe release file for electronic signature on the Exhibits. I chose Exhibit B, but the file I received would only let me sign the attorney page. It would not let me sign Exhibit B. I tried email and phone contact with the Trust but no response. Did they send me the wrong Adobe file to sign? I have never had an attorney or law firm. I did it all on my own.
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What presentation materials are actually provided in the google drive? Videos? Slides?
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Philmont and Summit won't have (or provide) NYLT materials. The NYLT course director needs to attend a Course Director Conference. That is where they should receive info about accessing the Scouting-U / National provided materials. When I was director (4 years ago), we got access to the Scouting-U NYLT Google drive with all the materials.
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Local Boy Scouts built the popular Odum Scout Trail along the scenic ridgeline which saved the wilderness from being split by a highway. More at Sources: https://thebamabuzz.com/the-heroes-behind-alabamas-wilderness-areas-a-historical-look/ https://www.uapress.ua.edu/9780817351595/the-battle-for-alabamas-wilderness/
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Our district holds Klondike there (using several of the pavilions). It includes rope rescue (however, on a steep hillside). I have been in the park on an orienteering course during a flash flood. It can get sketchy fast.
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I've reached out and been given POC in the past at Philmont and they have given me materials. I am NCAP certified, is that why I was given POC access and given materials when I asked?
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I am not an accountant; however, I believe this is going to fall under injury compensation at the IRS and become not taxable.
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By HashTagScouts · Posted
beascout.org can display multiple units with the same number- we have a number of examples of this within our council. A single CO can also sponsor more than one troop of the same gender- again, we have examples of this in our council. Several years ago now, Lodges were asked to do a clean-up and synch to National by updating/adding unit OAIDs from National. With those IDs in place, Lodgemaster can synch some unit information to the National database. We never had any issue with Venturing crews that were 0###, 00##, or 000#, so i suspect there is actually two fields in the National database- the actual unit ID as assigned by National, and then whatever ID the local council is using to identify. -
Best of luck to you! Look forward to reading a recap.
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