DLChris71

DLChris: My moral code tells me that discriminating against people based upon who they love is immoral and wrong. The BSA tells me that my moral code is not as important as someone else's moral code which holds that we should judge and ban people based upon who they love. Why is my moral code inferior? It comes from the same basic principles as the other guy's. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your problem is not that your moral code is inferior or the BSA's is superior. It is that you wish to participate in BSA activities an

DLChris71 - "As to other scouting organizations, I don't concern myself with actions of organizations I'm not affiliated with." BSA is part of the WOSM (just like the other organizations I mentioned). BSA at the last World Conference blocked a motion calling (among other human rights issues) for equal rights for LGBT people. I'm a Scout, I'm part of the worldwide family of Scouts, so to me anything done in Scouting's name is my business. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Duncan, If you go to see a cow, you should expect to hear it moo. I commend y

Activist aren't always right. They sometimes win and they sometimes lose. From what I recall they can only win in the context of the shared majority that giving into their campaign is in sync with their moral code. Vietnam War, Death Penalty, ERA, Abortion Rights, Civil Rights, Environmentalism, 1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment. Some wins, some losses, some still in conflict. Which is which depends on your perspective. Will BSA ever allow homosexuals and atheists in? Only to the extent that the shared moral code is in sync with that event. I'm doubtful. We are at a time where

"Where's Collin?" This was actually said during our pinewood derby. And after a 15 minutes we found him, another cub, and a webelos off in the woods trying to climb an abandoned, derelict tree house...the woods of course being off limits.

The most dangerous thing are those pointy spikes people have on their desk to stick notes on, usually 5-6" long. Horrible thing to have around while changing a ceiling light bulb.

LB- In theological terms there is usually no difference between one sin and another sin. Something is immoral or it isn't. Go or no go. No difference between a little white lie and a big fat lie. Duncan- "Morally straight"...no I'm not referring to sexual preference. I believe the term means that one stays on a moral course set forth by their religious teachings. Now some COs like the Lutheran Church will ordain a homosexual pastor and host a Boy Scout troop...thus making it possible that an IH and COR could be homosexual, theoretically. That's their moral course. I'm not sure what BSA wo

A scout is obedient to God, a scout pledges to do his duty to God, keep himself morally straight, reverent and clean in body, mind, and act. If we take all of the people of the world, stuff them in the room, then there just will not be a consensus on what is moral and what is a duty to God. What is obedience to God? In fact I suspect there would be absolute anarchy. However a many faiths believe that homosexuality is immoral. So we have one group that is taking part in an act and another group that says that it's immoral. Who's right? The group taking part in the act says that they

I don't know about an SM, but as a parent "it's a secret" will get me going.

I support the BSA position on this matter. I also agree with Beavah that I consider the boy to be the victim in this situation.

DS- I too personally like the summit with the vista...though these days its a hard thing to find. Some times we find a sunset over a pond or river, or quietness of the dark path. Well I can only hope a trail is found by your troop. But remember the easy training hikes of 10 miles are just that, training. You want fancy views from the passes in the Grand Tetons you need to get the boys in shape. I am definitely against track hikes, but there are plenty of good opportunities around the country for interesting easy-moderated hikes. By the way, my Webelos son did a 3 mile hike yesterday as pa

Deaf- a 10 mile hike is a preparation hike, or can be depending on where you are and what gear you take. Certainly a 10 mile hike can take 3.5-6 hours and can be done in an urban setting or on a trail rated as easy. The weight of gear total would certainly be less than 10 pounds including water. Though I acknowledge not everyone could do a 10 mile hike the majority of boys should be able to do it. Such trails near Rochester include Genesse Riverway Trail. A little research could probably net you several trails rated easy to moderate.

By setting a standard, yes BSA is exclusionary. The day that BSA becomes universally inclusive is the day it stops being BSA and we can all join Camp Fire USA, or form another exclusive organization that will need to exist on its own merits.

That's the thing though isn't it. I don't know about things in England, but over here in the states we don't go around promoting groups as "inclusive". Most institutions are promoted on the merits of their program. Inclusive is often a corrupted idea promoted by people outside organizations, a warped sense of fairness. Stating that because some institution runs a program that it shouldn't have some standard (ethical, moral, religious, etc.), because it would exclude people who don't identify with those standards. So basically the institution is wrong for existing and for having spent years bui

I think that one of the comments at the bottom regarding scouting being inclusive vs. exclusive is more telling. I think that certain group think that being inclusive means that an organization should accept anyone and let them do anything they like. In turn they think that because a group invites all people to aspire to a standard established by the group that the group is being exclusive, hypocritical, and malicious. I think that's pretty sad, especially that being asked to aspire to a standard is cause for an accusation of discrimination. Yes, I think an atheist child should be able to

To be fair who's more likely to have contact among scout troops? The person that goes to or has been to roundtables, WB, and IOLS. Which is more likely to be a CM.

I know this is all about "work" and all but heaven help us...save the cub scouts from: CUBMOBILE pileups ...Bear Elective 7.a ELECTRIC repair...Bear Elective 17.a WHEEL AND AXLE...even shows a wheelbarrow if I'm not mistaken, Wolf Elective 8.b

So I guess my son can't use the dremel tool that I got him to work on his pinewood derby car. Well glad big brother doesn't control what happens at my home...yet.

So I'm wondering about how long manuals these days are lasting? I remember as a boy scout I'd haul mine around in my pack or bring it to meetings without much thought to it. By the end of my time, 2-3 years, one of the covers had fallen off and it was pretty ragged. My sons cub scout manuals have been gone through a couple of times. One doing double duty as the Den Leaders reference copy and some of the pages are coming loose in the binding. Do the spiral binders last longer than the normal bindings and what is the tradition or common practice for a boy scout if he has to change manuals

That's pretty nice SP. It looks like your pack is also blessed with a lot of parks in your general area.

Well without further details it sounds like you have established dens for each level. But I would suggest reading the Cub Scout Leader Book as it adds some more details. You mainly want to try and make sure that your Webelos have an active and interesting program, that they have two deep leadership and are going on overnighters with proper support, that they are visiting and interacting with Troops, and that they are getting enough support to advance. You also want to take steps to continue to recruit new families into the program and to help them get established. And of course you want to wor

So how much is Ethan Draddy's hand in the new Under Armour experiment?

I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that once a merit badge is earned/awarded then the individuals scouts electronic record was updated. So there wouldn't be a paper trail going from unit to unit.

I went to that site that lets you look up the tax records for non profits, and my local council was running a deficit. But it wasn't as big as the council in the article. At the rough estimate of 3M in expenses vs. 20,000 members that's approximately $150 per member per year, so maybe $175 per scout.

SP- The link doesn't show your area. Could you give your zip code and unit #?

There but for the grace of God, go I. I'd hate to be 13 yo and have that happen to me, especially if he did 13 months of POR.