johnsch322

Question to current scout leaders. What do you tell current scouts and or their parents if asked about the current bankruptcy and the child sexual abuse in the past?

I have to admit it felt good to hear the TCC say so many times that the plan sucks.

With that being said I see an incredible hill to climb for a yes vote.

I understand what you are saying but I meant to say if not accepted.

The problem with a low ball offer in this situation is the ramifications of what that might mean if it is not accepted. I would like to add this is not in the arena of a car dealership where you can offer 5K for 20K car. The dealer will just tell you to get lost and that is the end of it. Here the low ball will not get rid of the problem.

I actually thought the question was straight forward. My opinion that scouters within an LC would be better off if the LC gave up a greater share of their assets now than face the uncertainty of the outcome of the LC becoming bankrupt.

I am going out on a limb and presuming you mean the current settlement offer. I will go further and assume you are not a claimant/victim.

The abusers definitely are. But unfortunately most of them are dead or unidentifiable.

Not sure which LC you belong to but would it be in the best interest of your current scouters if your LC had to declare bankruptcy?

I would like to add that for anyone who cares about current scouters satisfying victims is in their best interest. If the vote doesn't pass and this all goes to the toggle plan their will be many LC's going bankrupt. That will hurt current scouters more than meaningful money being put into the settlement by LC's.

I gag at blood pudding and I was born in the UK LOL

I think that the forum would be quite boring if everyone thought the same way. For the most part I find these discussions to be quite civil.

That was BSA's secondary plan where they exit bankruptcy on their own. If not enough votes are garnered in favor of the current plan that may be what the judge orders. Nor was this a problem that survivors created.

But they are offering 57K. But they can do a lot better.

And in reality that is my position. If the BSA national cannot put together and adequate compensation package do the toggle plan (BSA exits alone) and let us go after LC's CO's and insurance company's in state court.

Ok a half million dollars to me would require a $665,000 award (my lawyers would get 33.3%). That is a hell of a lot more than 57K which is on the table right now. My personal feeling is that I should receive 1.5 to 2M and out of that would come my lawyers cut. If I was in state court the 2M might be on the low side. So you see there is an amount that I would be content with and there is an amount beyond what the BSA is offering that you think is fair. So now please go to whomever you know within the BSA and ask for claimants to get a fair settlement.

I am sorry but I find that to be a terrible response to a pointed question. I will try to ask again in a different way. I am a tier one victim and my abuse occurred in an open state with aggravating factors. My abuse has been vetted by a psychiatrist and I am currently in therapy and on Prozac. How much do you think would be a fair amount for me? Please do not beat around the bush and give me your honest opinion.

I agree. I will wait for a response and I hope it is not the old cliche of “there is not enough money to make claimants happy”. I find that type of response to be insulting and demeaning.

The lowest LOL. And no BS about caring.

So is there a number between 1.7B and 100B that would be fair and balanced in your eyes?

No amount of adult supervision will keep this from happening. When there is will there is a way.

Taking this a step further...if they are having sexual relations and it occurs on a BSA outing is the BSA then on the hook for sexual abuse? Adult having sex with a minor?

I understand so maybe I should have said it sounds like a step in the right direction.

Now that sounds fair.

At this juncture yes. Let me qualify what I mean. If this is as good of a plan that BSA can come up with than yes.