Mrjeff

Is that the attitude that governs human existence or another way to tolerate non compliance. What happened that made you feel that you needed to drive 100mph? What caused you to be so upset that you punched your teacher in the jaw? I understand that you don't like peas and carrots so its ok that you threw your lunch tray at the cafeteria worker. I don't understand why its so hard to follow the rules or deal with the consequences. If the rule is wear the suit then wear the suit otherwise don't make up the rule.

I had the opportunity to mention this to some of the national widget spinners, bolt holders, idea spinners and didn't get much of a response other than a grin. On of these guys used to head up an airline and because of that he knew the answers. Well, as head of an airline I wonder what his reaction would be if one of his pilots walked through the Philadelphia Airport wearing tights and a tutu. He could control that because he ultimately controlled that pilots money. Since Scouting is a volunteer organization he can't control most Scouters money. Either publish and establish a standard th

I would like to cut to the chase. In my opinion if someone joins Scouting, wear the uniform and follow the rules. If you don't like the uniform or don't like the rules don't join Scouting. If a uniform standard is established for an event, follow the standard or don't participate in the event. Common sense and personal pride should dictate ones appearance when representing the Scouts, especially in public. If you want to dress up like a princess go to a comicon and wear what you want. Go to a Scouting event and dress like a Scout. If someone does not dress in a way that casts a positive

More functional, I'm not exactly sure what that means. Ever since the old OD green uniforms there has been a bunch of revisions to style, material, pockets, and there are a lot of choices. The individual was clearly part of the larger group, and the attire received far more then a passing glance. If someone showed up wearing a speedo and a tank top, or a string bathing suit there would have been an outcry. Civil disobedience, what if a member showed up wearing a Hitler Youth uniform, that youth would have been removed. But, the powers don't seem to be interested in maintaining a positive

You can easily find pre owned uniforms that are very inexpensive. What I'm talking about is a situation wherein the uniform standard is published and nearly everyone is representing the Scouts following the standard. But...........when a young man chooses to wear a pair of tights and a ballerina tutu, he becomes an embarrassment for the others within the same organization. I'm quite sure that if he were to show up at most job sites he would be admonished, sent home, and in some cases fired. I'm fine with self expression, but there is a correct time and place. Representing a larger orga

Comfortable? Taped up, banded up, padded up, then put your jersey and pants on, then grab your helmet, not so comfortable. I'm not going to say that I know why scout uniforms are not popular and I agree to an extent. Uniforms and patches are expensive but if someone doesn't present themselves in appropriate dress they shouldn't be permitted to participate. If a uniform standard is required, then apply the standard and be happy. Otherwise, cancel the standards, let everyone "express themselves", and wear what they want. DO NOT ESTABLISH A STANDARD AND LOOK THE OTHER WAY WHEN SOMEONE DRES

If you show up at a soccer game wearing a football uniform you won't be permitted to play. If a young lady shows up at a Scouting event wearing a string bathing suit people would scream to high heavens. If someone shows up in court wearing shorts, flip flops and a tank top they won't be allowed in. But, as far as being a representative of the BSA, everything goes? Appropriate is what it is and inappropriate is what it is. If there is a specified uniform standard then it should be observed by everyone. If you don't want to follow that standard you shouldn't attend.

But, I do remember the Philadelphia Mummers Parade, their costumes were spectacular!

It should have been Mardi gras.........thanks spell check😉

Wow, I remember that if you wanted to purchase a Scout uniform you had to take your BSA ID card to JC Penny. There were clear guidelines which even stated what shoes to wear. Folks were proud to wear their uniform and there was even a designated Scout Week where everyone could wear their uniform to school. Now, it seems that the issue of proper uniform guidelines is dead in the water. Everything is suggested or ignored. Shorts, pants, skirts, kilts, lycra body suits, blue jeans or kaki military trousers. Ball cap, campaign or bush hat, ostrich feathers or rooster tails. How many knot

Wow, I remember that if you wanted to purchase a Scout uniform you had to take your BSA ID card to JC Penny. There were clear guidelines which even stated what shoes to wear. Folks were proud to wear their uniform and there was even a designated Scout Week where everyone could wear their uniform to school. Now, it seems that the issue of proper uniform guidelines is dead in the water. Everything is suggested or ignored. Shorts, pants, skirts, kilts, lycra body suits, blue jeans or kaki military trousers. Ball cap, campaign or bush hat, ostrich feathers or rooster tails. How many knot

No, I'm afraid not. That proverbial "Somebody at National", who will never be identified, came up with that grand plan. They even had the form for Scouts to be placed on the list for eligibility to join up! Another example for handing out a trophy for showing up. I have come up with an option for those who refuse to "go along with the program" , won't work, won't follow instructions, and talk all weekend long. It just takes a little imagination and thought🤔

The most important reason that a Scoutmaster should not be permitted to add to the list is very simple. The Order of the Arrow is really youth run. The Lodge Chief and their Lodge Executive Committee, all youth, make the rules administer and organize the events, and adults serve as Advisors. The most difficult job for the Lodge Advisor is keeping adult influence in check. Recently a National Council of Chiefs and the huge majority of Lodge Chiefs voted down the idea of doing away with elections. It is up to the Scoutmaster to validate each candidates eligibility. Everyone is not elected

I recently attended an event that required a Scout uniform to be worn throughout the event. This ment a full field uniform sometimes; and Scout shorts, trousers, or skirts for other times, along with a Scout T-shirt. However; there were a few individuals who thought it necessary to express themselves in another way. They wore tights and a ballerina tutu. I feel that this is totally inappropriate and the leaders who approved this were way off base. To many who were in attendance this was an embarrassment and was offensive. To me this is no different then allowing a young woman to express h

There used to be different kinds of red jackets, cotton, nylon, wool, along with a blue explorer jacket. In the 90s thay came out with an od green wall jack shirt, and Northern Tier has one with slash/hand pockets. I have a green one and a red one and the last time I checked there are no uniform standards concerning jackets as they are considered a non uniform, personal item. I'm not saying that this is the absolute answer, just what I discovered through experience and research. Its your jacket, wear it proudly and display what you want, just my opinion.

I'm an old Marine and I say that I learned how to be comfortable outdoors in the Boy Scouts, not the Marines! Semper Fi!

You guys are right on the money, as far as I'm concerned. If the election is conducted properly the SM verifies the list of those who are eligible and are worthy of being elected. Then the election team takes over and conducts the election. The SM is notified of the results and the SM can announce the results or wait until the tap out / call out ceremony. But the SM has the final word on who is eligible for election.

Without going into a long spheel I would like to say what I know, not what I think I know. Our local Native Americans are of the Creek Nation, and we have a long term Arrowman who is Native American. We also an individual who is an active and contributing member of the Creek Nation and he has an open invitation to all 9f out events and ceremonies. They are indeed concerned with the respect in which their heritage is used by the Order of the Arrow and are glad that we honor their heritage. This I know, not something that is just talked about and surmised. If someone reaches out to the l

The OA is a youth administered group that does not just give lip service to that concept. The whole thing is steaped in both native american traditions and scouting traditions. It may just be that the youth like it the way it is and have fun doing it. The only thing that I can attest to is that our guys and gals really enjoy participating in our ceremonies and they do a good job. Without getting into a huge discussion about all the other issues, if they want to do it and enjoy themselves thats good enough for me.

Without going into a long spheel I would like to say what I know, not what I think I know. Our local Native Americans are of the Creek Nation, and we have a long term Arrowman who is Native American. We also an individual who is an active and contributing member of the Creek Nation and he has an open invitation to all 9f out events and ceremonies. They are indeed concerned with the respect in which their heritage is used by the Order of the Arrow and are glad that we honor their heritage. This I know, not something that is just talked about and surmised. If someone reaches out to the l

I'm not talking about whats safe. You have missed my point, some things just don't matter and adults who guess what is best without doing any research or who enforce non existent rules, are over reaching.

Without going into a long spheel I would like to say what I know, not what I think I know. Our local Native Americans are of the Creek Nation, and we have a long term Arrowman who is Native American. We also an individual who is an active and contributing member of the Creek Nation and he has an open invitation to all 9f out events and ceremonies. They are indeed concerned with the respect in which their heritage is used by the Order of the Arrow and are glad that we honor their heritage. This I know, not something that is just talked about and surmised. If someone reaches out to the l

Wow, could it be that the group known as the Order of the Arrow, a group that is SUPPOSED TO BE YOUTH RUN is the victim of way to much adult influence. Adults tend to over think everything. Adults read too much into things, want everyone to achieve everything, and get "a trophy" for just showing up. If all of the guesses, policies and rules are put in place to appease everyone,mwe wouldn't do anything. I try to remember that the whole thing is based on the cold hard fact that kids are involved in Scouting in to have fun. Rules, lessons, learning and value are secondary. In my prospective

Without going into a long spheel I would like to say what I know, not what I think I know. Our local Native Americans are of the Creek Nation, and we have a long term Arrowman who is Native American. We also an individual who is an active and contributing member of the Creek Nation and he has an open invitation to all 9f out events and ceremonies. They are indeed concerned with the respect in which their heritage is used by the Order of the Arrow and are glad that we honor their heritage. This I know, not something that is just talked about and surmised. If someone reaches out to the l

Sorry.....I f any member of our lodge wants to invite a Native American to any lodge event, they are welcome without questio . Another area that the lodge can be of service is training. Our Chief has agreed to help with some of the required outdoor training for adults. We also help with council camp service days, camporees, and Cub Scout events. It takes effort, but is well worth it!