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  1. So that’s what Wis Momma wrote before she edited her post. Male Chauvinists huh? Terrific
  2. I would give this post about 100 up votes if I could. My Commissioner corps reports that among the units they serve, the most common problem has become helping leaders who are worn out from dealing with helicopter and bulldozer parents looking to smooth their sons’s path so he doesn’t encounter obstacles. Many of my staff are long time Scouters who are products of the program themselves, have been CM and SM, and have been Commissioners and district volunteers a long time, and so have a wealth of experience. Bringing in girls and their parents? As Luke Skywalker used to say “They have a bad feeling about this.” It isn’t the girls themselves that will be the problem, it’s how the units and therefore Program will change due to parents and unit leaders.
  3. My time spent on an OA ceremonies team is some of my favorite memories of Scouting as a youth. I am also an associate chapter advisor. The guys in our chapter have a lot of fun and it's a great experience for them, but when us "old timers" tell stories about what we were doing as ceremonialists back in the day, ..well, you can tell the youth are jealous.
  4. LDS leaving BSA?

    Col., I meant the boys in crews and teams are being moved back into the LDS troops. That way they can finish work toward Eagle and still go on high adventure trips, if they and the troop choose.
  5. LDS leaving BSA?

    Well, you better find some moms too. If National follows the Venturing model, registered and trained female leaders will be required. "Adult Supervision/Coed Activities Male and female adult leaders must be present for all overnight coed Scouting trips and outings, even those including parent and child. Both male and female adult leaders must be 21 years of age or older, and one must be a registered member of the BSA."
  6. LDS leaving BSA?

    Everything I have seen from National is that the boys +14 years old in crews and teams have been moved back into troops. LDS still charters troops--it's just crews and teams being dropped.
  7. <sigh> I try to be open minded but it makes my head hurt when people new to Scouting make judgements but they are ignorant of tradition, take things out of context and do not understand the legacy. Anyway, to the topic at hand, I do not recall the “upside down Bobcat pinning” as a youth, so perhaps it was regional? As an adult, our pack had stopped the ceremony just before I became Cubmaster so I never saw it personally and my boys never saw it. However, I am told parents—not leaders—did the holding and pinning. The Webelos remembered it fondly, and younger brothers were upset the practice was discontinued because they felt cheated of an experience they looked forward to. I recall parents being upset too because they enjoyed the ceremony and it was a fun family tradition for families with several boys.
  8. Hello, from an old District Commissioner

    Hmm, I don't see how to edit the above post.... Anyway, I should say it usually is a gift. Not always.
  9. Hello, from an old District Commissioner

    Most people do not realize the authority and significance of a chartered org rep, including many CORs. A COR who truly understands their role and is active with the unit is a treasure. Sadly, many CORs (at least in my experience and neighborhood) are not very involved. If they are trained and active, it is a gift to work with them.
  10. Hello, from an old District Commissioner

    I was DC, and am now DC again. LOL. But to answer your question, yes and no. Being DC is a lot like being SM in that my role is to know rules/regs, and then empower leaders (only the DC empowers CC, SMs and CMs instead of SPLs). There have been lots of times when somebody wished I could make a difficult decision for them, but at the end of the day, it was their decision as it's their unit. The problem is that councils don't want to get involved in unit spats, and if there isn't a strong and active commissioner corps, unit leaders feel like they are stuck on an island with nobody to turn to for advice.
  11. TampaTurtle: Unneeded parents on hikes

    You should expect to be stopped in the hallway by the SM, who says something like "The 'P' in PLC does not stand for 'parent.' They are doing a fine job without parents or even ASMs sitting in the meeting to judge or monitor them." Regarding summer camp, parents in camp with "nothing" to do get bored. Then they eventually wander over to see what their son's patrol is doing. Then they begin to offer suggestions and generally butt in to patrol business. There is no need for parents at summer camp. The SM and a couple of fully trained ASMs are all that's needed. That's my experience, anyway.
  12. What is quality control in Scouting

    Yes, that's my experience too. Answer enough questions with "What does your BS Handbook say?" or "What does your PL (SPL or whatever) Handbook say?" and they generally catch on. Our troop had used Thorns and Roses. At Philmont we learned Thorns, Roses and Buds, and brought it home. After that, its what the troop used.
  13. Well, the title says it all: Hello from an old District Commissioner. By way of background, I have been Cubmaster, Scoutmaster, Boy Scout Roundtable Commissioner, District Commissioner, District Committee Chair, and now District Commissioner again. I have also been Crew Advisor for several years. an old DC
  14. TampaTurtle: Unneeded parents on hikes

    It has been several years since I was SM but our troop's policy was that for Scouts to go on a "troop high adventure," they had to be 14 years old and First Class. Mom or dad wants to go too? I told them to fill out an ASM or committee member app, get trained, take OLS, and then they could sign up. That was for whatever was deemed "troop high adventure" by the PLC. Routine weekend campouts or challenging day hikes were different.