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  1. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    I just did a quick search and came up with these examples. Then I got depressed and quit. The first one may be the worst. Cascade Pacific Council Girls' Camp at Butte Creek and Camp Clark Many, many parents of Scouts attending our resident camps have said "it'd be wonderful if I could bring my daughter, too. She'd love it!" Now you can! Bring girls age 8-13 and their girl-friends to Butte Creek or Camp Clark for the same great program as the regular Scout camp. Long Beach Area Council Family Camp at Camp Tahquitz A camping opportunity tailored for your family. DATES: May 25-28, 2018 LOCATION: Camp Tahquitz Parents, we invite you to bring your scouts, significant other, siblings, family members, and friends to camp at our very own Camp Tahquitz in the beautiful San Bernardino Mountains. Spirit of Adventure Council Family Camp Camp Norse, Kingston MA Family Camp us open to: ALL (Boy Scout and Cub Scouts, Venturers too) registered Scouts and their families Parents, siblings, and unit leaders are encouraged to join in the FUN!
  2. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    I have been associated with three different councils as an adult. I cannot see any of them not following National’s direction. So yes, local camp experience will absolutely be driven by National’s “guidance,” and “suggestion.”
  3. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    Did National ask youth what they thought about girls in Boy Scout troops? I know some adults made sure to send the survey to several Venturers and OA eboard members who took the survey. Those young men are all against girls in troops. Venturing and Exploring are different and the guys are ok with that. interestingly, all the girls in my crew are against it as well.
  4. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    Not really. Look at the girls in Cub Scouts soft launch: there is an intentionally vague framework that encourages pack leadership to do “what they think is best”
  5. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    And the need for money/membership
  6. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    I am talking about BSA and troop culture not whatever you think I meant.
  7. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    This just makes me sad and also illustrates why it is so difficult for some troops to run effectively--parents don't know the culture and wont learn it because they are too busy trying to change it to what they want.
  8. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    We are being told by Council folks, using materials from National, that it is up to the pack's leaders to decide if girl dens and boy dens can meet at the same time and place to work on the same activity—and share the same DL. Isn’t that essentially a co-ed Den? Oh no, that’s just two dens who happen to share a meeting place. I have a hunch a girl troop and a boy troop will eventually be able to meet at the same time and place, and share the same adult leaders as well.
  9. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    Sounds like you were at my pack and den meetings, but your forgot drop off the son and go to a coffee bar or wine bar.
  10. Will you poach our crew's women?

    I'm not too sure about Venturing. On the one hand, I am afraid BSA4G is going to kill Venturing because what few girls are interested will move over to troops to work on advancement. Then again, the few girls I have seen in our crew over the years were not interested in Venturing advancement at all. I am happy at least the age for Venturing was not lowered. The whole point has been for older boys and girls to do things without younger kids around. No 16-20 year old is going to want to be on the trail with an 11 or 12 year old. And besides, the crew couldn't go to Philmont, shoot pistols, etc. with 12 year olds, unless BSA changed that rule...and there is no way National would lower the age for high adventure.
  11. Cubmaster Retiring

    $600 is crazy. How about a $50 gift card to a local restaurant for him and his wife to go to dinner, and then get a Scouting book of some kind and have everybody sign it at a pack meeting or the B&G.
  12. Buzzfeed - CSE Surbaugh - Girls - Scouter.com

    @Hawkwin, you forgot to add that she is a habitual rule breaker who deliberately and consistently flaunts that she is breaking the rules. Oh, and that she has been enabled since she was 5 or whatever by adult leaders who deliberately and consistently ignored BSA bylaws, and then had the sheer audacity to submit membership and advancement paperwork for her to their council, which they knew would be rejected.
  13. Pack YP equal or double standard

    I found it interesting there can be all-girl packs with all female leaders. Isn't that called Girl Scouts?
  14. Eagle Scout Application Filing Fee

    That's nuts. My Venture Crew of 12 would probably fold if our Council pulled that.
  15. Eagle Scout Application Filing Fee

    LOL. But I thought OP's council is charging the insurance fee, in which case National wont get any of that extra $12.
  16. Buzzfeed - CSE Surbaugh - Girls - Scouter.com

    She is learning from her father (Gary) as evidenced by the continuous interview photo op cycle. In the end, she's just a kid. The SM, ASMs and committee members in her "unofficial" troop in NY are the folks who deserve blame for continuing this nonsense of "unofficially" earning MB and ranks. They should be ashamed of themselves.
  17. Generations

    Congratulations from one Legacy Family to another (my dad, me and both of my sons are Eagle Scouts).
  18. Eagle Scout Application Filing Fee

    What is the “$12 insurance fee”? Insurance is already in the fees National charges (and is why annual dues went up yet again). Is this a Council insurance policy, and if so, what does it cover?
  19. Buzzfeed - CSE Surbaugh - Girls - Scouter.com

    Single gender programs are definitely the way to go....unless it’s inconvenient or National can’t figure out which way the wind is blowing on this today, or National realizes volunteers and a few councils will just do whatever they want anyway.
  20. Camping vs. Sleeping in a Cabin

    When I was SM I would not count cabin camping nights for Camping MB or OA eligibility, and I made sure the Scouts all understood well in advance.
  21. Camping vs. Sleeping in a Cabin

    Cowboy is a step up from Coyote camping. Although I am too old for either anymore, and need a foam pad.
  22. When to wear uniform

    In my experience, those folks will argue the point all day and say "the Insignia Guide doesn't say we "can't" wear it."
  23. Camping vs. Sleeping in a Cabin

    I am guessing the same as "coyote camping." That's where you are on the trail all day or building trail all day, drop your pack, lie down and sleep. No tent, no tarp, no sleeping bag: just sleep on the ground. That's how OA Ordeals were back in the day as well--lie down in your clothes and go to sleep. Maybe use your boots for a pillow.
  24. When to wear uniform

    Speaking of wise-guys, I hate it when some adults are wearing the "Old Goat" or "Rocking chair" patrol patch. Adult patrols? Please, that's called being an ASM or Committee Member.
  25. OA to end AoL ceremonies?

    You are spot on. Yes, I remember what it was like to be a boy in OA, and I am old enough to remember wearing tasteful warpaint and also old enough to remember when it was a true honor to be inducted because only one Scout could be nominated from each troop (as opposed to every Scout who is eligible). And yes, being on the ceremonies team was a real honor and we had tons of fun. We try to make it fun for the Arrowmen in my chapter, and ceremonies in full regalia is part of that. Fellowship weekends in my Lodge and conclaves are very well attended. Straight up work weekends or service projects? Not so much.