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  1. My son told me about a kid who wrapped his shoes in duct tape with the sticky side out and then ran across another scout's trading blanket, trying to pick up patches with the tape as he went through the trading area. He learned not to put his patches on the ground from that one.
  2. Kinda like patches at Jambo, huh?
  3. Basically sounds like the SPL wants to have a Magic tournament as an activity on a camp out. Many of the scouts in my son's troop played Magic, but I am not aware of them ever doing a draft game. The way a draft game works is that each player gets X number of unopened packs at the beginning of the game. They open the packs and they keep one card from each pack. They then pass the rest of the pack to the left. This continues as each player chooses a card from each pack as they go around the table... thus the "draft" concept. So having a fee makes sense, as you have to cover the cost of the cards. Each participant gets to keep the deck that they built, and usually the winners will get more unopened packs. It really isn't gambling... but the SPL should not be profiting from it either. Perhaps a better way to do this would be for each scout who would like to participate, they need to bring X number of unopened packs. Just have them bring enough packs of cards to play the game itself, not to provide prizes to the winners. This also alleviates the possibility of the SPL turning a profit.
  4. Rifle Shooting MB, target clarification

    Welcome to the forum James. You may use one of the three types of targets listed. You do not need all three.
  5. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    When my son went through, there was no requirement to camp with a troop. Wasn't even suggested by the handbook, nor did a troop invite us to. We did a troop visit with a couple of the local troops and I honestly didn't care for those either because they were dog and pony shows for the Webelos, not typical troop meetings or activities.
  6. Cub Scout Patrols

    Don't knock the "sit upon".... Use one when dove hunting. Has a cooler liner to keep my water and Gatorade cold while in the field!
  7. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    It has been a few years since I was involved at the Cub Scout level, so things may have changed... but back then, the training for the Webelos den leader didn't exactly prepare them. The problem I see is that unless the leader has been involved with Boy Scouts previously as a youth, or has had a child in Boy Scouts, they just don't know what Boy Scouts is. Hard to transition boys to a program that you know nothing about! The Webelos program itself was not geared towards transition either when my son went through. The Outdoorsman Activity is the only one that I remember that encouraged a troop visit in the requirements. If it is really a transition, then the Webelos den should be engaged with a Troop as well. However, that puts an extra burden on the PLC of a troop to prepare more things for Webelos to come and do with the troop. Webelos is an awkward time in the program... too old for Cub Scouts, but too young for a troop.
  8. Have you spoken with your Scout Master about this? Is he advising you to do the form?
  9. No, the beneficiary is doing the fundraising. They set up the website, not the scout. They collect funds, not the scout.
  10. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    We obviously have that as well. My point is that even though it is a NSP, they have an older boy that joins their patrol to be their patrol leader and teach them their basic scouting skills. Our Instructors lead demonstrations at the troop level, where our Troop Guides are directly tied to the first year patrols.
  11. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    I like the idea of NSPs... and how it was implemented in our troop. Although I can see where you might say it is Cub Scoutish... maybe what Webelos should be. We do have an ASM that is assigned to work with the first year scouts specifically, and once a month they have a first year meeting or outing to work on requirements. But we also have a Troop Guide that is assigned as their patrol leader to teach them scouting skills on campouts. When a boy in the group reaches First Class, he is made the Patrol Leader and the Troop Guide takes a step back. He still helps and guides, but now that NSP has an actual Patrol Leader participating in PLC. They do focus quite a bit on advancement, but the thought is that be getting them to First Class at around 1 yr, they have a bigger part in the troop and are more likely to stay with the troop. So it is a retention based concept as well.
  12. If we aren't going to follow the process, then why have the process at all? The Eagle Scout Project should be complete and signed off before the EBOR... It's a done deal at that point. Questions on fundraising should have been asked and answered during the proposal phase. This is why so many say that the paperwork is too complicated... because too many insist on taking extra steps just in case. Read the doc, follow the instructions...
  13. I get what you are saying... but as the Eagle mentor, I would have gone over his head and removed that roadblock. The Eagle candidate has enough on his plate without having someone add to the requirements.
  14. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    I agree with this. With my own son, he was on the fast track as well... He earned Life Scout in just over 2 years and 6 months. There was not an intentional push by his mother or I, but he was afforded many opportunities to complete merit badges in the first troop he was in. I told him that we were going to slow him down on advancement... I didn't want to see Eagle until he was in high school. I was afraid he might "Eagle Out" before he was even old enough to do high adventure! I didn't want him to participate less, just get his focus off of advancement. So, the first Summer Camp after we made this decision, he is selecting what merit badges he wants to do. He asked me if he could really sign up for whatever classes he wanted, because his prior troop required each boy to take an Eagle required merit badge class. I told him to sign up for whatever he wanted. He signed up for all of the water based activities and loved every minute of it. Came home and said that was the most fun he has had at Summer Camp because he wasn't worried about rank requirements and finishing merit badges. That's what camp should be... having fun! And if you happen to sign off some requirements as well, that's gravy!
  15. The instructions clearly state that if the beneficiary is doing the fundraising, then the form is not needed. Requiring the form when not needed is adding an additional requirement and is a waste. My son's Eagle Project was similar, with all material for the project being provided by the beneficiary through a grant that they received. No fundraising form needed, and no one questioned it at all.
  16. Why would you advise him to fill out the form and send it in if it is not needed? The beneficiary is doing the fundraising.
  17. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    Agree... I think some are seeing "Family Scouting" and interpreting as "Family Camping"... Which I hope it does not turn into! The way I see it is that "Family Scouting" is about branding. Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts have been male only, but we are now allowing girls to join so we need to change the brand and perception from male only to all inclusive. The infographic is interesting that it shows the coed Pack as the "Family" choice, because both male and female siblings can join the same pack.. thus "Family Scouting". At the time, the pitch was separate but equal at the troop level, but I expect this will change and soon we will see the age 11-17 line mirror the 6-10 line, for the many reasons we have discussed here.
  18. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    So, in that chart, where it says 6-10 yrs old, and it says Boys Cub Scouts... Is family not allowed there? Think about for a second. If your interpretation is that this is about "family camping", what would be new there? Family camping has always been part of Cub Scouting. There is a difference between "family camping" and "family scouting". The new part is including girls... giving families more options under the BSA umbrella.
  19. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    Dude... Go look at the Family Scouting page https://www.scouting.org/familyscouting/ Family Scouting is basically the catch all phrase that BSA has put on their programs that are open to all members of the family now. Even in the document that you are pointing to, it says "Family Cub Scouts Boy Dens & Girl Dens". Now look to the left of that box and the says "Boys Cub Scouts", and to the right of the Family Box there is a box that says "Girls Cub Scouts". These are the Packs that will not be coed... Do you think these packs will not include families? Are only coed units "Family Scouting"? The Family Scouting is all about inclusion. Look at the infographic. What does it say? Look at the executive message.. it says "Our recent historic decision to serve families by inviting girls to Cub Scouts and delivering a program that will enable them to earn the rank of Eagle Scout..."
  20. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    "Anecdotally mentioned"? It is the very first question and answer in the FAQ of "Family Scouting". BSA has made the push to add girls to the program under the umbrella of "Family Scouting"... It doesn't mean that the family will necessarily tag along on campouts, but that there is now a program open to everyone in the family within BSA.
  21. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    I don't think the impact will be quite the same at the Cub Scout level. I am referring to the change at the Troop level, as I believe most others are as well. Cub Scouts is very different from Boy Scouts.
  22. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    Why would it be addressed in the "Family Scouting FAQ" if it is not part of the "Family Scouting" idea?
  23. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    If the boys who are current members do not support that change but it is pushed upon them anyway, yes, it does equal telling them to get lost. Have you spoken with any boys on this matter? Every boy I have spoken to has asked "Why don't they just fix Girl Scouts?". The boys I have spoken with do not support this change at all.
  24. Concerns with coed rules, leadership, liability

    First question and answer on the "Family Scouting FAQ"... https://www.scoutingnewsroom.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Family-Scouting-FAQ.pdf Family Scouting FAQ Q: What decision did the BSA make regarding girls’ involvement in the organization? Starting in 2018, families can choose Cub Scouts for their sons and daughters, enabling them to take advantage of the life-changing experiences provided through Scouting. A program for older girls will be announced in 2018 with projected implementation in 2019 to deliver the Boy Scout program to girls, allowing for participating girls to earn the highest rank of Eagle.