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JMHO..but LC sponsoring ALL units probably ends the program. Sponsors will withdraw all their support from the BSA causing greater financial shortfalls and increased lack of community support. LC sponsoring ANY units is the way to go as LC neither have the time nor manpower to properly sponsor so they will hire new people just for that purpose and have the units pay for these positions with increased council fees over and above national, expect increased FOS and fundraising support, require "their" units to only go to the council camp and programs. Of course the LCs will have access to b

When you realize the BSA started Lions for membership and money (every Lion has to pay the extra $25) and none of the decision makers have to execute a program for 5 year olds you will have your answer.

7.0.4.7 was written into the GTA because of the number of National Advancement complaints from Summer Camps. Scouts coming back from camp in one instance with 20 MBs in a week. These MBs included requirements that could only be done away from camp and/or had time limit requirements. The scout pencil whipped a number of worksheets and the 16 year old "counselor" accepted what was scribbled in the blocks as completed work. Since the "If the MBC signed the blue card it was done without any question. Unfortunately the approved MBC (area director) relied on the "instructor" checking the

@ShadyRhoads So the Camp Director was/is the SM's wife and she can't figure out how hosed up an operation she was running to correct this? Speaking of running...run as far away from this camp in the future. Tell everyone you can to do the same so those scouts are not trapped into this shoddy operation.

I don't know the average but a friend of mine went to a camp where they had digitized their program records for the last five years and could call up his sons partial mb in 30 seconds to get the info needed.

@qwazse You don't need a special sponsor....just sell more popcorn, 🤑

@ShadyRhoads Past few years??? Who is telling you what? I don't know what you have done, but whatever the council camp you went to should have records of the classes etc and the Camp Director should be able to resolve this.

This "Scouts is cheaper than X" is an old and tired argument. I have never had any parent say "we are going to join scouts because it's cheaper" If that was the case the membership would not be down 50%. The parents want to sign up their son/daughter and continue to renew for years because of what the program offers their kids for their future in instilling Character, Values and Ethics and have some adventures while doing so. Kids are in sports x/y/z, quiz bowls and their other church youth groups because they want to. Remember they also have school work which comes first.

When a scout earns his Scout rank, we give them 21 completed MB cards and complete each rank every meeting so they are ready for their EBOR in a month or so. 😜

The 8/26 document I posted comes from the site yknot posted.

The 8/26 document is much more specific than the 1 July one with more specific actions by the UMC/BSA/LC/Unit. It was thought (maybe wished) that the latest agreement which both parties went back in session to discuss would have an option for the status quo for units but that is not in the 8/26 document. The fact that the LC picks the unit leadership and provides the LC EIN to set up a bank account really means they are the sponsor. The UMC side has words like "generally" and "reasonably" support no "will".

@skeptic I did not see this document posted on this thread. It's dated August 26th.

New agreement as of 8/26/22. I don't see that the UMC churches are sponsoring units. Looks like the LC are the CORs and the units can meet at the church. https://unitedmethodistscouting.files.wordpress.com/2022/08/02.-bsa.umc-updated-affiliation-agreement_08.26.22.pdf

I would not be surprised if most councils are below the 2% considering the large loss of membership.

I think I saw somewhere that National's goal was 2% minimum market share.

An unintended consequence. Unit asked a potential new sponsor about taking on the sponsorship. Potential sponsor asked why the UMC was leaving. Unit said liability. P-sponsor says then why should we take on the liability?

Duh...of course it was! ☺️ Sorry.

This link was just sent to me. Date is from July. https://unitedmethodistscouting.files.wordpress.com/2022/08/20.-mou-gcumm-bsa-july-1-2022.pdf

@5thGenTexanMy understanding is that is not an option for them.

Dumping might be too strong a word but when a unit is told to vacate the church properly by 12/31, the unit certainly feels that way.

@yknot maybe this notice from the UMC is why they are dumping their scouts?

This is a 372 page document that the inspection team go through in an afternoon at a long term camp and then do a photo op with the pennant. Not a chance this is a thorough evaluation.

My friend's troop goes to Camp Rodney. He tells me they offer 3 ways to feed based on where your site is. Dining Hall Heaterstack where they bring the food out to the site and the troop serves it and cleans up Patrol Cooking where you are on your own to feed your unit - there is a reduced cost per scout for this option

@5thGenTexan It's #4 under the yellow box.....collect and submit fees. 😂

@gpurlee Your speculation on a revised traditional model is interesting. Pay more (at some who knows what cost) and all is well! Isn't the basic premise of the UMC that they didn't want to sponsor any longer because of liability? this one is what I said before about jerking around units and scouts and getting them all spun up? Councils are chartered by National so they can pull the council's charter just like a council can pull a units charter so they have leverage. We will see what they come up with. The information flow is crickets sounding.