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Everything posted by Hawkwin

  1. So you can say with confidence that you know in advance as to whether or not an adult might end up being a sexual predator just because you know them socially?
  2. By comparison, if you had three new girls and one of the mom's volunteered to be a YPT ADL, that new mom would be just as much of a stranger to everyone but her own daughter. At least if you get an existing scouter, you should have at least some assumption of prior good behavior. You don't have that at all with a new adult to your unit.
  3. Here is the thread where the YPT proposed changes where discussed. The proposed changes were announced in April. I don't know the official implementation date but I think it was supposed to start when all packs, not just the early adopters, opened their doors to girls. This likely left summer camps in a bit of limbo between the old and the new rules and as such, likely were not required to implement the new rules. I am pretty sure having female leaders was not a requirement when EAP first rolled out last year. If you have a reference stating otherwise, please share it. E
  4. ? I am a Den Leader as part of the EAP and I don't recall that being a requirement. I recall it being made public that it was going to be a requirement sometime in May or there about.
  5. You might have to reach out the either Nationals or various alumni organizations for such information.
  6. Was the rule requiring female YPT leaders in effect by this summer? I feel like it wasn't a requirement at that time but I don't honestly recall.
  7. On a side note, we had 27 NEW Bobcats last night with 17 of them being tigers. The pack has doubled in size from last year and just three of those are girls (from my count), taking us to a total of five. I have to wonder if this might end up being one of it not the biggest jumps in applicants BSA has ever seen - and of course will get larger still in February when older girls can join.
  8. No, I asked you whose morals? Your reply claimed such actions were "possible child abuse." "Child Abuse" is defined under state (and federal) laws, not under some universally defined and accepted morality standard. You move the discussion from one of morality to legality by making a legal claim. So let's backtrack to my original question before you moved the goal posts, whose morals?
  9. I like that idea. I might add that to the recommendation. I learned at a recent sporting event that another scout parent has the same complaint as I. The SM made the parent drive four hours (two hours each way) to take their scout on a Friday night to a camp out so that the scout can get their SMC done in time for the BOR/COH. The scout completed the SMC and then turned around and went home immediately after. The scout had sport tourneys all weekend so was not available to attend the camp out. I could see the pain on the face of the parents as they shared their story with me. No one shoul
  10. So when you misrepresent my reply, what is your desired goal? To get me to respond in kind or simply stop responding? You win. Moving on.
  11. What is the child abuse? Clearly each state has laws covering such. Does your state consider such actions child abuse? Are you suggesting that BSA create its own rules and definitions regarding child abuse that extend beyond what each state already does? Again, whose morals would establish those extra-judicial rules? Not only that, how expensive would it be to not only create those rules but then defend them against legal challenges. Are you willing to pay another $50 a year to cover those new legal fees? Again, if a CO doesn't like something about an applicant, let that CO deal with it a
  12. Whose morals? Since we are a religious, but non-denominational organization, whose morals would we dictate to our units? Seems like something best left to the CO and not to BSA National.
  13. High double digits. My guess is between 70-80 currently. Our Scoutlander page lists 87 but I doubt all of them are active. And I appreciate your advice on finding a smaller troop. Certainly it would lead to a very different experience - but I think there is a lesson here for my scout in that demonstrating my willingness to fix things vs simply taking the easier, and perhaps more pleasant solution, he might learn that strife and struggle are often necessary components of growth and success and even perhaps that there is value in even in struggle that ultimately results in failure. Moving t
  14. Great catch on the fee. We are of like minds on this. Why have a redundant document that would necessarily need to be updated every single time a half dozen or more other documents change. Great feedback.
  15. Sent my recommendations to the subcommittee last night. We are scheduled to meet on October 7th. I doubt I will have any feedback prior but will share any updates that may come my way before that meeting.
  16. Thank you; and agreed. My son had month's worth of camping and service projects not entered or signed off in his book before I took it upon myself to research what was missing and then signed them myself (under the assumption that "adult" meant me). No one has questioned those signatures (and why would they if they never helped him get them signed off in the first place). More good feedback for our committee.
  17. Perhaps a better solution would be to determine in advance what packs, if any, in the area will accept girls then work with that pack to accept them. I would even invite them to show up and be present at the round up. Explain to the parents and apologize for any confusion caused by the District Rep and enthusiastically welcome those girls into scouting in the other pack.
  18. Thanks. So in other words, we could simply state either that a scout may be removed per the GtoA, or not have a section on this at all since it is largely redundant.
  19. Camping and service requirements in the handbook state, "Scoutmaster or adult signature." Is Adult synonymous with troop leader or can really any adult sign off on camping or service?
  20. Removal from elected or appointed office: Is that supported somewhere? I can't find anything that supports that in the GtoA.
  21. As I have come to learn, "experienced" scouters can come with their own bad habits and baggage. While you can see it only going one way, I have the utmost hope, and even expectation, that this is a golden opportunity to train the biggest generation of new scouters we have ever seen. Even if there is some failure in that process, some of the greatest scouters we have ever had will be joining our ranks in the next 24 months. I can't see it going any other way.
  22. Would anyone be willing to share the text of their troop policy? Instead of spending time trying amend our bureaucracy, it would be easier to simply toss it and start over. Since the new SM is on my subcommittee, I see this as a good opportunity to guide them in a better direction.
  23. Correct. The existing document is not my creation. I was simply trying to get changes to the color-coded sections. I am open to any recommendations to simply or scrap the entire thing. Great stuff! Keep it coming!
  24. Great stuff! Thank you. We meet in a couple of weeks and I will paraphrase your points. I agree. As a parent I had not read this entire document prior to this event and I am sure none of the scouts are familiar with it.
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