Hawkwin

"The reason I only do SM Conferences on camp outs is to get the senior leadership on the camp out so that they should be on leading younger scouts. My expectation for Star and Life Scout should and is more rigorous since they are moving into Leadership roles." Like I stated, I get the rationale behind his policy but the inflexibility of it is both disappointing and appears to violate the spirit of the rules (e.g. a different standard for higher ranks is adding requirements). Yep. Lesson learned the hard way. Won't ever make that mistake again. SM conference will be requeste

The SM copied the CC/Advancement Chair on his reply to me. I assume that if the CC disagrees he now has an opportunity to weigh in. I will give him a day or two and then likely call him to discuss. I am unfamiliar with the Unit Commissioner position and I don't see anyone with that title under our unit leadership within Scoutlander.

Summer camp in July with the Troop (SM was in attendance) and completed is Order of the Arrow Ordeal two weekends ago (SM was in attendance). Agreed, which is why I am more than a little upset that the SM did not take the opportunity to have one with my son during the week they were at camp together or even during whatever down time they might have had during the Ordeal weekend.

That was my initial thought but we are out of state (and out of the country) for the next two camp outs.

Ugh. No luck. SMs reply is that he has not denied the Conference; that he will provide an opportunity for the conference on XX date which just happens to be the camp out. It isn't his fault if my scout can't make it to the camp out. Not sure where to go from here.

Got a response. SM's heart clearly is in the right place and I support his reasoning, but it is still the wrong decision.Will be emailing him stating as much.

As Qwazse stated, any that earn it now simply remain with their pack (assuming they don't age out) and focus on activities other than advancement. That being stated and per the published rules at the time, only those in the 4th grade or lower were eligible for early adoption so there should have been no AOL scouts by June. Since Webelos requires 3 months and AOL requires 9 months, the first time any girl should be eligible for AOL would be September 15th.

In my experience, the information is out there but it isn't consolidated in one place and you have to be proactive in finding it. Sometimes that means looking online, other times that means calls to your local council. My daughter and I took the online Bronze orientation but I have to say, it wasn't overly helpful. You could always try to find another active troop. I know the challenges of that route but being a Juliette by default and not by intent can be lonely for your daughter when she is used to being in a troop. My daughter's troop(s) folded three times and we spent a year as a

Son sent an email to the SM Monday night. No response as of yesterday. If nothing by tomorrow, I will likely be calling the SM to discuss further.

Yep, and likely no different than this: https://www.scoutshop.org/wolf-handbook-spanish-edition-620135.html

But we hold BORs for those same ranks at the weekly meetings.

Not yet. I try to stay out of what should otherwise be 1 v 1 conversations. I learned of this after the meeting was done and even I didn't know how to respond until I had some time to think about it and research it further. Additionally, while I think it a good idea to raise this specific issue for him, I still think there is the larger issue or the unnecessary hurdle that may impact other scouts. That being stated, I know how to eat an elephant so I will likely ask my scout to email him tonight (and copy me) and see what can be done this week or the next.

To the best of my knowledge, it is SOP, not new. Yes, that was one of my take aways as well, make it the first requirement completed of any new rank. As it stands, my son will miss the September and October campout so his next opportunity to even have a SMC would be in November. Agreed. Seek first to understand.

My son was told this tonight - that the unit only holds higher rank (Star and above) Conferences on camp outs. I can find no grounds or precedent in the GtoA that supports such a rule (please let me know if I missed it). To me, this seems like a general denial of the SM Conference. Requiring such be done at a campout effectively adds a requirement for the rank. ... If I am missing something or you think I am wrong in this conclusion, please let me know. Otherwise, I feel like to may need to call the SM and have a polite conversation. Note, the troop holds BORs at normal me

That is a very cool and novel solution. I hope there are troops that consider such.

I have a LDS early adopter girl in my den. My guess is that it will probably be regionally influenced. Those communities that have a high concentration of LDS will probably be less likely to have girls join but those communities that have a greater diversity of faiths will probably be more accepting of the idea.

@qwazse Minor quibble: Simple, certainly not easy.

*sigh* Is it your desire to understand this situation/issue or argue a straw man? Regardless; moving on from this dead equine.

I believe so. Otherwise, what is the point of requiring a YPT registered female if they can't be counted on to be around at all times? If they are absent when something happens then what was the point to send one along at all? Because no girl troops currently exist. The ONLY way to complete the current requirement is to visit an all-boy troop.

Absolutely a concern but as with any new founding of a troop, the vast majority of the volunteers should come from the parents. Just a guess, but I would imagine less than 10% of all active scouters in a troop are not parents of scouts in that troop. The vast majority of scouters move on when their own scouts leave. A new girls troops should pull the vast majority of their leaders from their parents. In some cases there will be overlap as well as some complete transfers (e.g. female leaders in a boys troop might move to the girls troop so that they have adequate YPT leadership). Real

Webelos have a requirement as part of their AOL to visit a troop. A Den leader (or other authorized YPT member of the pack) should go to that even with them. A pack should never send their Webelos off to a troop without trained leaders even if the parents are going. The safety of the Webelos is the responsibility of the Pack and if something happened at your event, and the pack did not ensure that adequate YPT leaders were in attendance, then the pack likely will be held responsible. The section I bolded would be rule #1 IMO. Doesn't make you the "bad guy" by asking those units to simply

Yes, but then the Webelos Den should supply such. It is their requirement to have one, not yours.

Can you show me where it states that troops are responsible for providing adequate YPT coverage for individuals that are not members of their unit? You appear to be reading into a requirement not stated. Well, I would not deem it your "problem" but I would think you both have a DUTY and a DESIRE to not allow it to continue so reporting it is definitely your "problem." Funny, in such a situation I would be THANKFUL that I witnessed such an issue and that I could report it. I would be pleased to know that I just might have prevented the abuse of a child. Thinking of it as a problem

I face the same issue with my daughter and I am her Den Leader. While I want to roll my eyes at much of this mess, I have to give a head nod to the idea that she is indeed a scout and should be treated as such with proper female leadership (believe me, I loathe this rule as it negatively impacts my ability to be a leader - made my wife sit through the YPT so I could at least give some lip service to having a YPT female around). You being there doesn't satisfy the YPT standards. We can imagine a different circumstance where you might be divorced and took your daughter to such an event

Before you even get to the point of pack events, you need to have at least one registered female leader for the DEN. Your pack should be planning now for such possibilities by having more than a single registered adult female so that is not an issue. If you are a pack that will be taking girls, then it is your responsibility to "be prepared" for the fact that you will likely need more than a single female adult leader. No disagreement with your last two paragraphs. Not a fan of the double standard. A (YPT trained) scout is trustworthy, unless they are a male around gir