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  1. numbersnerd

    BSA Executive Salaries

    So true. The only time we hear from our DE is when he's trying to drum up registrations or rather, trying to get US to drum up more registrations. Sure, what volunteer doesn't want to do FOUR rounds of membership rallies every year? 🙄 Dude can't even get flyers printed properly for us. Go away. It's that or to schedule a FOS presentation.
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    BSA Executive Salaries

    Maybe some deeper self-examination is necessary. You may be joking, but that IS the impression made by the 'professionals' time and time again. WE can't help it that quite often the only ones signing up to be paid Scouters are a bunch of bumbling fools. Is that a fair assessment of all of them? Hardly, but you form your opinions based on what you have experienced. What we volunteers can do is often ignore the interference and idiocy and deliver quality as opposed to bureaucracy.
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    Mike Rowe: Death of Boy Scouts?

    I've lost count of the number of times I've assisted someone in random situations. Out shopping, in the office, etc. All because I always carry a pocketknife. Always. And it's usually the BSA camping knife given to me over 40 years ago. Quite often the response when seeing the logo on the knife is along the lines of, "Well of course you're ready to help, you're a Scout aren't you?"
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    BSA Executive Salaries

    I think we're going to see a lot of troops go to that mode of operation with the recent changes (if they aren't already doing it.) Both Pack and Troop I'm involved with largely do this now and will likely scale back any district/council participation back to the minimum required. Why? Membership changes and policies are one element. Another is that there is very little value-add involving them in the program we offer. It works, boys are learning and having fun. As a unit, we're increasing our numbers because of what WE do, in spite of the noise and interference from above.
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    Summer camp - too many adults?

    I guess I should have clarified. I meant OUR (adult) schedule and where everything was located for our own reference. Something that I don't recall from my time as a Scout that we have to consider as adults is medications. Depending on the camp, either we can do it or it has to be administered by the camp staff. Another wrinkle to iron out. Although I can foresee some first-year campers needing some guidance if they are having to go solo to their first activity site. They will be coached on asking who's going to the ABC Area next and partnering up with others for those walks. You never know who you're going to meet at camp!
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    Summer camp - too many adults?

    Luckily we have the opposite problem. Well, maybe TOO minimal adult coverage. Only 2 for 18. And I say possibly too minimal in case of an emergency where two-deep would be impossible. I guess if it comes down to it, our senior Scouts will get some OTJ training on how to handle the logistics of an emergency situation. Actually, we are looking forward to it as somewhat of a vacation after the Monday rush to activities and figuring out the schedule and lay of the land. The acting SPL will get a good taste of the role as he's wanting to run for the position the next rotation and his experience and performance should prove his worth. We'll have a backup framework of course, but it's his show to run this year. I'm looking forward to seeing how ALL of them do!
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    National, Religion, Membership, Oath and Law

    I would go back and re-read what he wrote then. Nowhere did he say "Firestone hates god" or anything like that. Fighting irrational with irrational doesn't really work.
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    National, Religion, Membership, Oath and Law

    Facts are just that and I said they should take precedence (ie, back seat) over opinion. Interpretation is influenced by the opinion of the interpreter. A very subjective outcome. I notice throughout this thread lots of mention of 'interpreting' things. Is there something offensive about facts and objective statements that makes them so discountable?
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    National, Religion, Membership, Oath and Law

    Revisionist musings will, and should, always take a back seat to facts. Anything ascribed to B-P with a leading, "I think" is meaningless.
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    National, Religion, Membership, Oath and Law

    So if someone can't express themselves in a manner that conforms to your style or sensibilities they shouldn't be allowed to do so. Doesn't sound very inclusive.
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    National, Religion, Membership, Oath and Law

    What's the difference between criticism and insult? The element of personal perception. You saw it one way, I saw it another. You can express your dissatisfaction with his behavior, yet you would restrict the manner in which he expresses his? Honestly, it only ratcheted up once he began to get flak for his stance. The escalation was not entirely upon him. How do those that require objective compliance reconcile that with their own subjective behavior?
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    National, Religion, Membership, Oath and Law

    If you can point to any violations of either, please do so. I find it interesting that someone brave enough to stand by their convictions and say so is considered un-Scoutlike. While others will consistently downvote people they disagree with without engagement. Not surprising, just interesting.
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    National, Religion, Membership, Oath and Law

    If or when he whines about what he thinks someone said to or about him, yes.
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    National, Religion, Membership, Oath and Law

    My suggestion would be to grow a thicker skin if you're going to converse on the interwebs.
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    National, Religion, Membership, Oath and Law

    Having defined rules and enforcing them with boys is already difficult enough without introducing moral relativism.
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    National, Religion, Membership, Oath and Law

    Agreed. I NEVER assumed that any of his posts were directed at any specific person. Despite that, he was basically tarred and feathered for having an opinion. And the response he received here is likely the reason others that may feel similarly don't say anything. And then silence is equated with acceptance. And so the false assumption that there is a majority or consensus is then entered as fact. There's definitely a danger to the "shout your opponent down" tactic. You get surprises like the Nov 2016 election. Instead of honest discourse, you create your own ambush.
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    National, Religion, Membership, Oath and Law

    If you'd bothered to read any of his other posts, you'd see the real reason for his stance. But keep poking at it, it's a nice quality to see in people here.
  18. Simple solution: don't use texting. It's called SMS (Simple Message Service) for a reason. It's not a secure nor foolproof method of communication. There are services such as Remind that are better at submitting messages through SMS that have distribution lists and archival options. That is, if you insist on mobile communications. Email would be a better way to go if truly concerned about YPT (or CYA, however you want to call it).
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    Scout BSA Uniform Survey (Girls)

    Will preface this by saying I think the current styling of BSA uniforms is about the schlumpiest mess you'll see on a collection of youth and adults. I don't think there is anything more depressing than seeing a bunch of adults willing to devote their time and efforts in service and then making them don what poses as uniforms. It's the saddest sack of ---- collection of OD wrapped lumps when they get together. I think it actively sucks out a measure of enthusiasm from anyone wearing them. I refuse to buy official pants and shorts because they fit so bad and if you happen to find a pair that fits, it's an anomaly. I sincerely wonder if each individual pair is made by a different manufacturer. That said, this appears to be a turn for the worse. Even more non descript wrappings with ill conceived "features". And designed to be untucked? So much for pride in the uniform and personal appearance. But then, if forced to wear those, that ship may have already sailed. Too bad they can't get Eddie Bauer or Columbia designers to help with design and Johnny Morris to help with marketing.
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    How will you talk about girls troops and packs?

    Well, if this happens to is, we'll be asking what schools those packs recruit from and recruit there ourselves. Because to be fair to all of those families, if they want a boy-only option, we should be there to present them with one. That's fair, isn't it?
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    How will you talk about girls troops and packs?

    Except that this CO sponsors a Cub Scout Pack, not a Troop. So your point is not valid as Packs will be co-ed.
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    How will you talk about girls troops and packs?

    I think that's what rubs everyone the wrong way. Council staff calling CO's and not including the volunteers (who have a vested interest in the discussion.) A completely classless move. The IH asked if we had talked to them and was genuinely puzzled by it all. Definitely made a bad impression. At a minimum, if they are going to do this, they should have the courtesy (hmmm, why does that word sound familiar?) to include those delivering the program in the discussion at the outset. I was honest and told the IH I was not happy about what had happened. We actually have our act together, this little scenario shows that the BSA does not. I could honestly see some CO's throwing the towel in, not because of the change, but because of the behavior of the "professionals". But then, I have yet to meet a pro Scouter that has impressed in any measure. All said, after introducing confusion and basically trying to cut our legs from under us, I have to admit I love the irony of it: by pressing the issue, they may have helped the 'competition'.
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    How will you talk about girls troops and packs?

    Why would they do that? The CO has explicitly stated that they do not support these changes and there are existing girl-focused organizations. Hypocritical to do otherwise. Boys are our core, not girls parents.
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    Who Should Attend Committee Meetings

    Echoing others above, yes DL's should be in the Comm meetings if you are wanting to implement a cohesive and successful program. Too much happens at the den level to not consider and include them in Pack planning. Pack events and activities should complement what the dens are doing and that can't happen without their input. Transparency is your best tactic in avoiding any conflict or suspicions of less-than-noble behavior. Any and all parents are open to attend our meetings. Even though they typically do not (which is fortunate as the room is already pretty full!), knowing they can has allayed any concerns from families.
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    How will you talk about girls troops and packs?

    The pastor of our CO called me (current CM) after receiving a call from someone at District or Council (he's not sure which) pressing him for a decision on BSA4G within the next week. There was irritation all around. Me because of the unilateral approach to the CO without including unit leadership. Which, OK, I guess they can do, but it's bad relationship management. Who do they think the IH and CO staff are more familiar with? Local volunteers or a detached voice over the phone? Him because he's fed up with the social engineering aspect of effected changes. Evidently he gave the pro an earful. His questions followed the majority of those I've encountered: if girls want these activities, why doesn't the girl-focused organization offer and promote them? Why is the BSA changing what has succeeded for the last century? Where are boys going to find their own space in a society that increasingly marginalizes them? He definitely sees the need and value of a boy-only program and environment. His fear is that being pro-boy is seen as anti-girl (which he is not as he has only daughters.) He has other valid reasons for maintaining a boy-only unit sponsored by them also. I'm afraid that if this becomes too political of an issue (as in, the blowback and perceptions if we don't want to offer a co-ed program), we'll lose our CO. I explained that maybe this was his and other CO's opportunity to make their opinions matter by maintaining boy-only units. And that they could dispel any perceived bias by going further. I shared my opinion that in my experience the best mirror for Cub Scouts was American Heritage Girls. Now he is considering sponsoring an AHG unit. I've made work for myself trying to get them connected, but I'll willingly do it. So now we are going to have a meeting next week with the pastor, COR, CC, myself and the incoming CM. Even though we all knew we were in alignment, this will give all of us an opportunity to get unified in our approach and responses to the changes and questions headed our way. In retrospect, getting that call, as irritating as it was, might likely be the best thing that could have happened for our Pack, CO, and potentially a girl-focused program. I'm just curious if this is going to be a common-enough reaction by CO's across the country that it dampens the girl enrollment in BSA and directs them instead to other programs.
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