BSA24

> No one would suggest we teach being overweight and/or smoking as a healthy positive moral attribute. It's not good for them and they would prefer to be otherwise. Yes, they would. They put on a uniform and put themselves up in front of all of us as a "leader". That in itself is their advocacy. That is why we don't allow gays and atheist leaders, correct? To have them as leaders would send the wrong message, because the very act of being a leader is acceptance, approval, and being put forward as an example? The guy up there who was trolled worse than I intended said it be

Both threads are trolling. I think it is pretty obvious what I am doing. I am pointing out that something is factually accepted by all to be bad behavior for your health and a bad example for youth that quite a large percentage of scout leader do while complaining that somehow gay and atheist people are immoral. Sorry, but in my family, we are not fat and we don't smoke. Not ever. We view it as immoral. So when someone addicted to cigarettes with a XXL size shirt stretching the buttons tells me that gays and atheists are going to ruin the scouts, I'm looking at them trying not to lau

I think BSA already bans people who think like you, so you are automatically out. Next!

While at Summer Camp this year, I looked at our adult leaders when they were lined up and noticed that most leaders are very, very overweight. I would like to propose that BSA ban fat people. Fat people are clearly not doing their best. They are eating more food than is their share. They are spending the rest of our money on their health problems. They are getting diabetes and heart disease and making our insurance rates go up. Fat people are immoral. And you can see the fat! It's right there! They are fat right there in front of you for all to see! Look at them! The boys can s

Banning smoking itself at scout meetings is not good enough. These people can be detected because cigarette smoke gets in their clothes and hair. Their teeth turn yellow, and their faces age prematurely. They are always offering lighters when we are trying to start a fire, and their cars our youth ride in smell bad. There's no way to hide the fact that someone is an immoral smoker and a bad example for our youth. If we are going to ban adults who are a bad example or who are sinners, we have to get rid of the smokers. I am not in favor of publicly burning them over cigarettes,

Can we please ban smokers? I find the smell of cigarette smoke to be dirty and unclean behavior. It is immoral to smoke because you damage your own body, damage your voice, and commit a sort of slow suicide which is clearly banned by Judeo-Christian tradition. They litter cigarette butts everywhere they go. They leave nasty ashes everywhere. They cough up gross noises all the time. It sets a bad example for the youth. People who smoke are not physically strong, mentally awake, or morally straight, and they are not doing their best to do their duty to God, their Country, or themselves.

The OA should be dissolved. Here's what the OA has become: * Free labor for BSA to set up/take down summer camp at council scout camps * Native American cultural preservation (dancing, ceremonies, drums) I see no other real activities from the OA than this. I've been in the OA for 40 years. I don't see that it serves any real purpose. The OA does nothing to promote camping. The accuracy and appropriateness of native american cultural preservation is dubious. And BSA needing the OA sash as payment for helping clean up and set up campsites is questionable. It no lo

It depends on the district and the council. Ours just hands the knots and certificates to the unit leader at round table to give out at their discretion. The district dinner is also an event we have, but almost no one attends it. Many cub scout packs do not go through the council for their awards. They just buy knots at the scout shops and present them themselves. There are no real controls on the adult training awards, and district volunteers can sometimes be difficult to work with on it or drop the ball and turn them around too slowly to present them. There are often disagreements

I have never heard of any unit in our area getting a cub scout through this method. They all come from school events where we recruit during registration at the beginning of the year and school night for scouting. A few see us physically out there and join us. A few join due to word of mouth. We've never gotten a scout from our web site or any other activity that targets parents. Parents generally don't seek out scouting. We have to appeal directly to boys, and they sell the parents. As for Boy Scouts, those are recruited in schools (although most troops seem to have forgotten this)

Whatever may have been the circumstances, everything went out the window when the ASM made contact with you. That was it. That needs to be reported to the district executive and the chartering org rep. That leader has to be removed from his position immediately, with no excuses. No matter what anyone says, no matter what anyone does, no scout leader is ever to ever make physical contact with anyone else except in a loving, helpful fashion or when their safety and health are at risk. That has to trump all other concerns. Terminating this leader has to be made a priority. A

If you are checking the insignia guide about anyone's uniform other than your own, you have lost perspective. Nothing is required on the uniform. A uniform itself is not required. Some units, my included, make the uniform seem required, but in fact it is not, and a boy can do scouting without one entirely. As for what goes on your uniform, there are no consequences for putting anything on your uniform that you want to other than the annoying nagging of others. You may also leave off anything that you want. I have full on decorated shirts and empty shirts. None of my shirts have "kn

Non-existent works pretty well. DE's basically nag everyone for popcorn money, FOS money, recharter money, new recruit money, camp money, and event money. Since DE's are basically there to ensure that BSA brings in money at the council level and district committees don't run away with it. Our district had no DE for almost a year. It was rather nice, actually, and we didn't notice any degradation in our support from BSA until a new DE was selected and the nagging started again.

The Cubmaster's Key is for concurrent service - one year past the scouter's award. From the BSA training site: (This can include the tenure used to earn the Scouters Training Award.) The den leader award is not concurrent. It must be a year served as a den leader and not for any other award.

Show me in the Scoutmaster's Handbook, any edition, where it recommends that the scoutmaster is in charge of Eagle awards. He's not. The Eagle Scout Award is given by national, not by you. The boy will receive it whether you like it or not. It's the Eagle Scout's COH, not the troop's. He is already an Eagle Scout. He already is entitled to the award as soon as National accepts the application and stamps it. That's it. He's done. He can buy the award on ebay and wear it. Beavah is dead wrong on this one. I like how kindly he writes, but I don't believe that will reach you. You need to

That is exactly what I am suggesting. Instead of sending announcements, he should be sending out invitations to his COH to receive the award. If he wants, he can do as I did many decades ago and send out invites to his Congressmen, the President, and other dignitaries and people who are interesting to him. They may actually show (watch October Sky for an example of that), or they might not and send him a nice congratulations letter and apologies they cannot come. That way he invites who he wants, since it is his COH, and his award, and not yours, and he doesn't have you mother

It should be. Although I wish they would go back to the white colored "Why Knot?" knot. The white colored knot was for 18 months of service and meeting some criteria. The green colored knot was for two years and meeting training requirements etc. The scouter's key was then a green + white combo knot using the colors from the old scoutmaster badge. The knot progression made sense for a unit leader. The current black/blue with shiny gold knot is ugly. I have no idea why they changed it.

Why are you the one sending out the letters? It is not your achievement. It is his. And this is supposedly an Eagle Scout level scout, so surely he could send out his own letters. Stop helicoptering.

> Yah, BSA24, I don't reckon any of us here are "charged with" anything, eh? We're just volunteers. By volunteering and agreeing to the responsibility, yes, we are charged with certain responsibilities. If we are not willing to perform them, we're not welcome to continue. > Second, Statistics 101 would teach yeh ... Thank you for the admission that you have absolutely zero data related to this topic and cannot contradict the numbers with any data or evidence of your own. The claim stands firm: 90% of pedophiles self-identify as heterosexuals in their adult relationsh

Don't ever ask a boy to do something you would not. Don't ask him to do a pull up for you when you are fat and can't even hang by your hands. Don't ask him to run a quarter mile unless you are going to run it with him. Don't give him 10 push ups unless you can do 10 good clean military push ups. And don't ask him to be willing to do pushups as a consequence of behavior if you would not be willing to do so at work if you came to the office late. I am very, very dubious that anyone here amongst the personalities that post would be the kind of guy to just happily drop and

I recommend having a sit down with the key three in your district as well. Committee Chair, Commissioner, and District Executive. They should be aware this happened. BSA may intervene and allow the boy to proceed to Eagle and write this up as his project. There's many a scoutmaster that thinks he is the master, and then he finds out that national grants the award, not him.

A military surplus store will sell you a khaki navy officer's shirt. It is much, much nicer. You can get it embroidered with Boy Scouts of America over the right pocket and decorate it up, and no one will notice. If you are of athletic build, you will find these fit far better as they are not designed for 400 pound men. There are at least four different khaki shirt designs in circulation right now - maybe five.

1. Discuss her during your pack leader meeting and ask for the input of the other den leaders, the cubmaster, and the committee chair. 2. Suggest that the advancement chair or committee chair should play bad guy and inform the parent that the exact requirements must be met based on the youth's best effort.

> NO, I didn't look at your graph at all. That's even worse. So you're just using completely unscientific anecdotal observation on your part to draw conclusions about success methods of a corporation that has almost a billion dollars in assets? Instead, let's just use fiction and say "I post to the Internet Tubes all day" as the basis for confident assertions as to what the problems are. LOL

> LOL. Yah, back to statistics 101 for yeh. If you have some statistical analysis or data that will disprove what I wrote, please provide it. Otherwise, I'd suggest you study this topic as it is of grave concern to children and their safety, and you are charged with caring for them. Understanding the demographics of the enemy instead of imagining them through prejudice is probably a better approach. > Let's keep da gays stuff over in Issues & Politics, eh? I disagree. This is not a discussion of politics. It is a discussion of volunteers and their demographics..

> Yep, they have nothing to do with each other...just as being homosexual doesn't have anything to do with it either. In fact, identifying yourself as a homosexual reduces the chances of child molestation. The vast majority of child molesters and pedophiles say they are heterosexual when asked which adult sex they are attracted to.