BSA24

> The answer is quite simple, the Troop does whatever the PLC decides. It is funny how many scouters at the district level responsible for teaching people how a PLC works then completely ignore it when they are planning events. District volunteers will instead just send out an email to a bunch of adult leaders advertising a camping event and fail to even attempt to contact or build a contact list of the youth unit leaders in the Boy Scouts. Likewise for Cub Scout units. District leaders assume that the units have a duty to support them and instead of approaching it from a marketi

BSA did everything wrong here. All of it. It is a PR catastrophe of galactic proportions. * You mean BSA has had these files since 1965, and has not thought to call them Youth Protection Files instead of ineligible volunteer files? * BSA never had a game plan for how to release these one day in the future? No contingency for some being stolen and published, or a tell all from an angry former employee? * BSA has not previously crafted a message on the files? * BSA chose to withhold the files until forced to release them, making it look like there was something to hide?

I don't understand why there isn't more training, instead of less, and why we can't test out of it. I'd like to see scout leaders required to be able to do everything T-2-1, whether they are cub leaders or whatever, but they should be able to attend a rally night or something like that where they can test out by demonstrating knowledge to avoid watching a presentation about "scouting fun".

Problem 1: Boys not happy with who is in charge Reason: You set up a process to make their selection delayed by six months (meddling adults) Solution: Let the boys elect their leaders the way that they want and stop meddling beyond setting minimum standards to hold office. (Having served as ASPL, generally an unrelated job, is not a BFOQ for SPL). How about having been a PL first instead, but elected to it and then no automatic bump up. Problem 2: Boys **** about election outcomes and not all support the new leader Reason: Leaders failed to ask the boys to establish groun

There's so many things going on there you will never boil it down to a switch you can flick on to fix it. But I think you are on to something. * Many old boy scouts remember there only being the SM, maybe one ASM, and the boys all riding in the bed of a pickup truck to go camping with their gear in a trailer. They see Boy Scouts as when the SM and ASM take the boys camping and the parents are done. * Most Cub Scout leaders experience significant conflict and stress doing their jobs. It isn't the actual den leadering that burns them out. It is the politics of who runs cub day camp, ha

> We are all part of the BSA and this is what the > BSA has decided are good measurements of overall quality. We are all volunteers who run franchises of BSA's program, and this is what BSA has decided makes a good franchise for them. It has nothing to do with what makes good scouting for youth. FTFY

>> Life lives in my nose in my boogers. > How do you expect others to take your scientific knowledge seriously when you assert that your boogers are alive? Mucus is a secretion and is no more alive than sweat or urine. Read the sentence again carefully. "... in my boogers." Are there bacteria in my boogers? Did I say that my boogers were authoring the next guide to safe scouting without assistance? They are? That would explain a lot.

> you could get an auditorium of scientists to agree on ANYTHING... is enough to make most scientists fall out of their chairs This is false. Scientists agree on many billions of things. The areas in which scientists disagree are far more arcane than the topics noted here. > Most researchers have noted that abortion and contraception use rise concurrently in most populations, Most scientific researchers also note that abortion is only tracked when a society becomes liberal enough to allow it to be performed legally, allowing it to be tracked, and that this correlates to

> Well BSA24 if you don't like the policy, your welcome to join some other youth group that doesn't have the policy. I am also welcome to stay in this youth group and disagree vocally and often with the policy. You sound just like the guys in the 1960's. "You are welcome to go live in a country where colored people are in charge if you think they should be our equals." Real nice. Warning to everyone: This is a generational issue. In 20 years people will look back on the fear of homosexuals and the viewing of them as immoral and judge harshly.

I don't believe the decline in membership will be fixed with anything that BSA currently finds themselves able to do simply because we are, for the most part, traditionalists, and we view change as defeat. Training will not fix the problem. There are two problems: Marketing & Socialization For any sales attempt, the things you need to succeed are * BRAND / REPUTATION * PRODUCT/SERVICE DEMAND * PRICE * LOW BARRIERS TO CONSUMPTION * HIGH BARRIERS TO EXIT Unfortunately, BSA has lost their brand. BSA is no longer the builder of future soldiers. BSA is now a ch

AZ, That's not how the national election for the president works. It is determined by an electoral college. Each state gets their votes based on their own determination within their own process. The national polls are irrelevant and only tell us a national polling response. That response is no better than the cover story on the National Enquirer. Pennsylvania, Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, and some others are the battle ground states. Those determine the next president. The other states have already virtually voted and are unlikely to swing significantly. What do the pol

> Encouraging birth control leads to abortion That is one of those beliefs out there that people just keep on saying even though it is laughably wrong. In fact, I nominate this statement for poster child of why liberals think conservatives are uneducated in science. This one and the whole not believing in evolution thing are the things that liberals laugh at so hard that our beer spills and we fall out of our chairs. That's how hard we laugh. Imagine an entire auditorium of scientists pointing at you and laughing so hard it hurts. That is the level this illogical sort of folksy st

BSA24, where in your wildest dreams would you come up with the notion that "an ASM is supposed to do it?" Because that's who is supposed to do these things. The SM is responsible for the scouting program in the unit. His job is to ensure that the program happens. He can divide up various responsibilities for portions of the program up amongst his ASM's. These days, in a big troop, the SM is bogged down with conferences with boys. He isn't going to have time and energy to do this. His best bet is to delegate it to an ASM - or the troop chaplain. This is program work, fellas. This is

Ignorant people at grocery stores agreeing with you doesn't make something right. I remember people in the 1960's saying that MLK was just some ------ stirring up trouble amongst the "colored folks". They would all backslap and reward each other for expressing their dismay and disgust for him and his movement. He was a communist. He was a radical. He needed to learn his place. Many times I heard people say he should be put down. They were wrong then. People are wrong about the membership policy today. One day, in the future, it is my hope that people will finally, once and fo

Like-minded? Have you not been reading the forums here? None of us are like minded. I hear that boy scouts can earn merit badges there without even lifting a finger (from the boys). In fact, the boys in our troop joke that the best way to get to 100+ merit badges is to make sure you attend summer camp and also to attend two jamborees. (This message has been edited by bsa24)

May I ask a stupid question? What good is the jamboree, and why does anyone go? I would not know. I have been involved in scouting since the 1960's, and I have never been to one, and from what I have seen and read about them, I have no idea why anyone else goes to what is apparently a huge bore-fest when they could just go backpacking instead.

>> The truth is the US is overpopulated already > Why do you think that? Because I have to sit in traffic. We need 90% fewer people so I can drive to work in the morning. Besides, your statistic includes huge uninhabitable tracts of land in the midwest and west where almost no one lives. > We do not need to become China, where then government starts enforcing only one child per family sanctions. Right. We need to start enforcing that RIGHT NOW, before we become like China. Why are Americans still making so many babies? We need to stop it. Human population lev

This is a pointless position. In a pack, an assistant cubmaster is supposed to do this. In a troop, an ASM is supposed to do it. It doesn't need a position patch or a position. Thanks, BSA, for wasting our time on this when there are other things that need attention.

I'm glad they are handing out the pills. If the kids are born, they will be born into rotten conditions. A parent who thought they were done parenting now has to raise a baby. The actual bio parent is too young to impart anything but a tragic life. Republicans don't want to pay the welfare that is generated by lower class kids making babies. Love the unborn, resent the born for leaning on them for money. I'll tell you a secret about liberals - we don't want to pay for those kids to be on welfare either. We'd rather see that money go to something more constructive than unwanted lowe

Instead of just my previous "No taxation without first doing something for the units" rant, I'd also like to offer a helpful suggestion. It is a radical suggestion, but I honestly think it will work. The district committee should announce a date that they will all step down and become commissioners. Commissioners are usually the old leaders who were old boy scouts and they are supposed to help guide units along and keep them strong. The committee is where most of the politics and arguing happens, and when the older scouters occupy these positions, the same old stuff keeps happ

> The day the BSA changes its standards for money is the day I leave it. Such as: * Having uniforms made in China to save money (got an American Labor merit badge with a Made in China sticker on it) * Having FOS campaigns instead of tighter budgeting and financial planning * No longer providing tins with popcorn and selling $4 microwave popcorn for $25 * Changing the uniform repeatedly to get people to re-equip * Changing the merit badges required for eagle so that outdooring is not necessary (1972) * Changing the logo of BSA from the first class badge to tenderfoot to

> screw you. Seattle, you have no argument. No logical position. No rationale to present that would convince me of your stance on this issue. Instead, you just call names. Way to go. Nicely done. We're all sold. You are a master of debate. Look, the district is a combination of committee (elected chairman and his appointees) and commissioners (elected commissioner and his appointees) plus a DE. The DE is basically a money hauler for BSA who makes sure the district doesn't get too far off program. The chairman is supposed to make sure there is fund raising, district camp

For AP Hill is public property. Any photos taken there are the property of the photographer. And, any photos pretty much taken anywhere ever in the United States are the property of the photographer. You don't have a right to not have your picture taken and published.

I don't think strong units have any obligation to help the district at all. If people working in the district can't pull together the people they need to lead things, then they need to accept that as feedback that not many people want them to provide the services in the first place. No one will staff the day camp? Too bad. Don't have one. Your district has spoken: bad idea. Do something else. If no one volunteers for that, then don't do that, either. This thread reflects _THE_ most important problem district leaders have. They think that the district is there to be serviced by units,

> Typical liberal nonsense. It's like cuttin' off humanitarian aid to the starvin' people of a foreign country because we don't like one policy position of their ruling party I'm a liberal, and I don't see where this has anything to do with that. It has to do with corporate HR stupidity. They have a program where if you volunteer with a charitable organization, they will pay that organization for your time. Other companies like Microsoft do similar. So if you are a scoutmaster for 20 hours a week, they will pay the troop for your 20 hours at an often handsome rate. So they've rem