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I see it happening, and see it happening fast. We already have 3 girls chomping at the bit. And a 4th would have done it if she would not age out before it occurs. And I see the local Frontier Girls folding and merging. And I see it happening with every unit in my district save 2: the LDS troop, and the baptist Church which uses Scouting for their 'At-risk Youth" Ministry. They only want Boys b/c they are the ones they are trying to keep out of trouble.

His thoughts are the following and I'm paraphrasing. It makes no sense to have 2 Scout aged groups meeting on separate nights and doing separate activities, especially when you are trying to promote accomodating families.If you have 2 separate groups, that means leaders will have two separate nights for meetings, and two different weekends for activities. The leaders will burn out faster, and we are already having a hard time getting new leaders. I admit I personally am against going coed. I know boys do better in a single gender environment. IO also know that it seems as if there is a

Some will say that it is not the program they signed up for. And they would be correct. Some will say that it now a program detrimental to boys. And they are correct. even the CSE states that research shows boys do better in a single gender environment. Some will say that they do not want to be involved with units that are "pushing the envelope." I admit I am uncomfortable with one Scouter willing to ignore a "separate but equal" program and push to fully integrate. Some will say they are concerned with Youth Protection issues. I know I am. Again I had one parent already talking ab

Agree with Flagg and Gwaihir above. I'll add though that I will be following the lead of my sons. Oldest is not looking forward to it, and I don't know what he will do. Middle son says it's a bad idea, but again do not know what he will do. I do know of one troop that will stay all male, and they may want to join them. Heck the more I see of that troop, I wish I would have taken oldest to see them as they are a true, Scout-led, active troop. I am going to throw in a conversation I had with a parent on this topic. 1) If BSA creates a "separate but equal" program, he will do everythin

I was one of those Scouts who initially could not afford a full uniform. There were green trousers and shorts nearly identical to the BSA pants and shorts. In fact, the shorts had the 6" rule, you had to be 6 inches away and looking at the snaps to tell the difference. I wore those for a few years. Over time, I was able to obtain official pants and shorts from a thrift store. In fact, I went into "business" going to the thrift store near my high school, buying uniform items, and reselling them to Scouts in the troop. I got the patches, they got the uniform items. WIN-WIN And I agree with

Not membership, but other areas: EAGLE PALMS. In 2014 a survey was conducted about changing requirements for Eagle Palms. 94% surveyed thought that the 3 months tenure was either Important (19%) or Very Important (74%). 85% did not want to include time as a Life Scout towards Eagle Palms. 94% is near unanimous and 85% is a supermajority. Yet BSA came out with Instapalms.

The challenge is that not every council is informing folks about their meetings. My council put a fast blurb on one district's facebook page. It's not on the district calendar, no emails were sent out. Just a fast blurb on one district's facebook page. And then is was posted in the middle of a punch of other posts. Further they selected a night and location that will make it difficult for many folks to show up. My council selected a Thursday night, a night in the middle of the week for this meeting. And they gave us 7 days notice for the meeting. Also I will be driving 3 hours round trip to

I know in 2013, jambo participant and staff went off site to do service work. Part of it was to give back to the community. Part of it was to find things to do for Scouts and Venturers since they had more people than events. I also remember reading complaints about making folks do service work at jambo.

Why am I not surprised. I don't remember how many I has, but it wasn't that number.

When I did the survey, i answered from the heart: No to coed Scouting; let the girls fix the problems with the GSUSA. However, I am a realist. The writing is on the wall. The CSE has been constantly talking about "Families" involved in Scouting. Current BSA imagery has contained girls in it, and Bryan's Blog did an article on an all girl Venturing Crew. There is talk of a revised YPT, and there is both external and internal pressure for change. Then there are those who are apathetic and it won't matter to them which way the decision goes. I have accepted that girls are going to be allo

Folks under 21 are considered "youth" in teh OA and must have 20 days and nights of camping, including 1 long-term camp ion the past 2 years, BE FIRST CLASS OR HIGHER, (emphasis) and BE ELECTED BY THEIR TROOP OR TEAM (emphasis again). So an 18-20 year old female could not get elected into the OA, at this time.

I took the survey. If they follow the same path they have with other surveys, they will ignore what the majority wants. And in all honesty, what it looks like they want to do will not work as I posted in the other thread.

Oh there is outside pressure for the change. But as noted also a lot of internal pressure for the change. When BSA goes fully coed, I prefer what I call "The English Model of 1995." Units have the choice of coed,all male, or all female. IMHO that is to solve this problem and get back to work to caring for our boys who are currently in the program, and anyone else who joins as a result.

The "Finnish Model" as I call a coed Cub Scout program, separate Boy Scouts and Girl Guide programs, and coed Venturing program, will not work in this country. Here are a few reasons. 1) It rings of "Separate but Equal." Let's face it, a separate Girls Scout program is already not working. why rehash the same thing within BSA? 2) Those folks demanding coed Scouting will not accept anything less than total integration. If national decided to to this, we will keep revisiting this issue over the years, further hurting our boys, as well as any girls in the programs. 3) A separate prog

As others have stated, the physical contact and yelling concern me. That is grounds for council level involvement if memory serves.

I think I need to clarify a point on my Tale of the Unqualified SPL. The Scouts knew better than the adults, knew better than the SPL's father even, that the Scout could do the job. Again Scouts know what is up. If they have real control over the troop, they will take it seriously and vote for the best candidate. If adults sweep in all the time, the kids won't care b/c the election will be a farce

BSA briefy did Rovers, circa 1935 to 1953. Great Depression didn't make it too viable, then WWII, the Cold War, and Korean War did it in.

Let me tell you the story of the "Unqualified SPL" There once was an 11 year old Tenderfoot. He was in the troop about 5 months when his patrol elected him PL. He did such a great job, that his APL nomintated him for SPL when his term as PL was over. So this 11 year old now Second Class Scout with 11 months in the troop was elected SPL. Now his dad is an Eagle, and active in Scouting still in too many roles. Dad thought it was a joke when told the son was elected SPL. Then he freaked out. Dad actually wanted son to think about what he was getting into and was he sure he wanted the job,

The Survey was done in December 2014, and the results published were published in march-April 2015 on page 12 of this document found here: http://www.scouting.org/filestore/advancement_news/2015_Mar-April.pdf Some details of the results: 69% of respondents agreed at some level that the Eagle Palm program is an important factor in retaining Scouts. 80% agreed at some level that Eagle Palms strengthen the unit through continued participation of Eagle Scouts. 85 percent of those polled disagreed with awarding Palms based solely on earning five merit badges. In effect the new

Under the FAQs on Bryan's Blog, they give guidance that if you had your EBOR this past Monday or earlier, you have to wait 3 months per palm. Yesterday and onwards, you can have 'insta-palms." And yes, I am part of the 94% who took the poll and opposed "insta-palms."

Again I would not wear it because i didn't go. But I also have enough "bling" that it would not matter. May I offer another option of making it meaningful? I have some very special patches framed and hanging in my office at home. My overseas collections, gifts from Scouts and friends, and some special ones I have earned/received over the years are on display.

1) WELCOME TO DA FORUMS!!!!! 2) Scouters should NOT interfere with the election of a units leaders. Let the Scouts vote and live with the consequences. If you interefere they learn NOTHING (emphasis) The Scouters in my current current troop interfered with unit elections last year. It sets the Scouts in the troop back. if you look at my previous posts, the adults would not let the leaders lead. It got so bad that I thought of restarting a troop that had folded. That interference is still affecting the troop today. The Scouts know what is up. If you truly have a Scout-run troop, th

But it appears as if the BSA IS following the way the YMCA went.

Yes fine for you to wear. Most folks don't for the reason Col. Flagg stated.

My advice has always been to get the project over and done with. I know one Scout has 62 MBs and missed earning Eagle b/c of the project, Also know of Scouts waiting to the last minute to do a project, and it's a rush job.