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As with the boys trou, we usually iron on patch material INSIDE the knees of the cotton/poly trou pre-emptively, thus reinforcing the area that wears first. We haven't bought the switchback types yet, having not really liked previous 100% nylon stuff. When and if we do, should we consider the reinforcing of the knees? Will iron on stuff STICK to the nylon anyhow? Nylon always does "pill" in reponse to abrasion. Goes with the territory. Chinese, eh?

As with the boys trou, we usually iron on patch material INSIDE the knees of the cotton/poly trou pre-emptively, thus reinforcing the area that wears first. We haven't bought the switchback types yet, having not really liked previous 100% nylon stuff. When and if we do, should we consider the reinforcing of the knees? Will iron on stuff STICK to the nylon anyhow? Nylon always does "pill" in reponse to abrasion. Goes with the territory. Chinese, eh?

Oriental theme? Poke around, you can find a "custom" fortune cookie bakery, maybe some Scout fortunes? There's a basis for a skit! Scouts at a Chinese reataurant, and as they open their FCs the fortunes come true! "You are talented in aquatics" and the waiter spills water on him...

I don't think there's any truth to the rumor that the Pet Care and Cooking MBs are being combined. But my Dinosaur Husbandry MB has always been a source of pride to me. Just ask my son.

Ditto the MB mills, camps and Saturdays. The boys have come to expect MBs handed to them. I rarely hear (my son included) of a Scout going out and SEEKING the MB. I escorted some Scouts to a MB Saturday at a local camp. The info made it clear that the Canoeing class was meant to complete incomplete MB blue cards, but there were a couple of boys that came EXPECTING to get the whole MB in one day. I ended up being the lead instructor when the scheduled fellow didn't show (? Trustworthy?). As to plant ID... my father was a timber cruiser in his younger days. I learned about trees before smaller scale things. I have trailed along behind some Scouters giving a nature walk and had to grit my teeth and use my best diplomatic language to correct some well meaning gaffs. On a lighter note, I had a Scout friend name of Henry, whose plant identification system was like this... here's a big green thing and here's a little green thing and this one ain't got no green things on it... ( and he was the SPL for a time). So would we have any Eagles at all if not for the MB Saturdays?

Ones behavior is dependant on ones experience and education. One does what WORKS, according to past experience. What is desired? and how can I get it? How did my mom and pop get what they want? By education, I not only mean the sit down and listen kind, but the watch what happens kind. Ones experience comes from family and everything else. If the everything else is lacking, guess where the experience comes from? When a boy becomes a Scout (whyever he becomes a Scout), he brings alot of OTHER experience and education with him. Attention? Raise hell. Bad attention is better than no attention. Approval? Prove I'm right by force rather than logic or discussion. Who's in charge? I'm better if I'm in charge and I'm in charge if I can yell you down. Saisfaction and pride? Accomplishing bad things is better than accomplishing nothing. Self worth? Since young folks define this by adult approbation, it helps to make it CLEAR what is expected and what is not acceptable. When one is older, hopefully the idea that one is worthy in God's eye (if not my dad or moms) has been internalized. Confidence? Knowing how to do something (stirring up trouble) is better than knowing how to do nothing. Merely mouthing the Scout Promise and Law does not help the Scout understand what is expected from these ideals. SM Minutes, hikes at night, campfire talks, SM conferences, CoH ceremonies that include SP & L reminders, all need to be implemented. The adult leaders cannot merely hike off and hope that the Scouts will "work it out" . Thru experience (projects, hikes, camps,etc.) and education (getting them to 'think outside THEIR box'), the Adult leadership must help the SPL and other Scout leaders (and the OTHER Scouts can be leaders in this by peer example and protest) to lead the Troop, and by example, show the younger Scouts what to do and how to act when it is THEIR turn. It ultimately takes two to make an argument. If one side of the argument can be convinced of the immaturity of rising to the bait, then the instigator will be left by himself. Believe me, he does NOT want to be left by himself. Boy led, yes, but not all by myself boy led. Parents CAN speak to each other, too, ya know.

Ditto all the above. They can do it if : 1) It is interesting along the way (Salamanders, bridge, history, waterfalls, old boats, etc. 2) Not too much up hill. 3) Dressed for it. 4) Praised all along the way. 5) Can you get some big brother Boy Scouts to come along? 6) Maybe do a shorter one (2or 3 miles?) a week or two before to "warm up? 7) Any parents along for the trip need to be in the same spirit. If THEY aren't dressed for it, the boy won't be either. 8) Have a warm place to meet it at the end for cocoa or pizza. 9) Plan your "expedition" with proper bravado. Day packs with a snack, a water jug or canteen and ? Binoculars? Camera? Maps? KiS MiF YiS

wow, so many issues, all of which we (I) have no say over. Planned obsolescence? Petroleum product cloth? vs renewable source cloth? Made in (pick a third world country)? Or in USA? Practical vs fashion? Money maker vs do we have to? Velcro? Since when is Velcro cheaper/easier than buttons? Red tabs are no longer da bomb? Gotta have green? I bet CS will be changing to tan shirts next, with blue tabs... Is this really an... improvement? National should apologize to all the thimble users and makers .

Here's my routine: (Webelos and mature Bears only): 1) I send home a note to the parents telling them that at such and such a meeting we will be teaching "Knife Safety" and this will lead to awarding the "Whittlin' Chip". It's on page xx of the Rank book (I forget that. Gotta look it up). I say that this will no doubt lead to the boy wanting his OWN pocket knife, that that is up to the parent, that when the boy succeeds in earning his W/C he may carry the pocket knife to CS events, as appropriate, WITH THE PARENTS PERMISSION. I ask the parent to sign the note and return it. No W/C without that signature. The boy is made aware of that requirement.I also mention the school policy (here it is "no tolerance". A pocket knife is considered a weapon, immediate suspension). The Cubs can bring their own folding knife to the class with parents escort. 2) On the day, I have three types of knives for show and tell, and a few loaners for practice. A large kitchen knife, a 'lock back' knife and some regular folding pocket knives (granddad called'em 'clasp knife')I also have an oil stone, an Arkansas dry stone and a carborundum stone, and a diamond hone (Scout shop. Puts a real nice edge on a blade) and a ceramic 'steel'. If you have a REAL steel 'steel', good too. 3) I talk about the different types, what they may be used for, and we practice handing them to each other. "Thank you" is not just being polite. Edge away from hand, flat to the ground, NOT edge down.. Handle to your taker. The big kitchen knife makes them think about mom's kitchen, grocer's butcher. "Thank you" for any sharp tool means you have it and won't drop it. Best to pass blade closed. This is a tool. Treat your tool with respect. Respect the edge. Lay it flat, never on concrete or a metal surface. Dulls and damages the knife. Cut wood, paper, soft things. Nothing else. 4) Open and close the knife open palm. Two handed, open palm, slow and careful. Showing off (whip open, leg close ?) shows lack of maturity, just dumb. Who you trying to impress? 5) Sharp that blade. Look for the shine of the light as you rotate the blade toward the light. See those nicks? A little oil on the stone and keep it flat. Palm open, stone flat. Nice slow circles, none of these sweeping motions. Hear that whistle? gettin' sharp. Hones, steels. Stroke the blade away from you on the steel. Really sharp now. Touch the blade with your thumb THIS way. Talk about types of stones. 6) Okay, here's your very own bar of Ivory. Let's see what you can make. Cars, jet planes, bear head? 7) Do it all again. Remind them about bragging, showing off, school policy. One knife in school equals no school. Praise them for being grown up enough to handle a serious tool correctly. Pass out the W/C card. Scout sign. Repeat after me. Sign the card. Keep the card, receive the patch at next meeting. Congratulations! When it comes up in discussion, 'sheath' knives are not allowed in Cubs. Boy Scouts? another time... Yes, the Cub has to prove his skill again for Totin' Chip in BScouts. YiS

Wanna get instant attention? Purchase, read, and then hold up at your LNT training sessions: "How to **** in the Woods" by Kathleen Meyer. A very droll, well researched and serious book about back country hygiene. Actualities, legalities, practicalities. At your local camp store or book store or Amazon.com. Reccommend it.

Is it possible to do research on Sickle Cell Anemia in Caucasians?

When daughter (now married and 'mostly' grown up) was a sub-teen, she was AMAZED to learn that her parents and Mrs So-n-so actually TALKED to each other about what had happened at a school event. HOW COULD YOU. DON"T YOU TRUST ME?? well, yes we did, until we heard the other three sides of the story. Parents talking to parents? oooo... what a concept. Scout son knows that first, I will hear him out about any event he wants to complain/brag/discuss about. I will encourage him to deal with it "in ranks" and suggest possible techniques. but he also knows that if I think it's serious enough, I will speak to the SM or other parents. It's the nonjudgemental listening that is important first. That keeps him talking. Dare I say it? "it takes a village/Troop/school to raise a child". YiS

MTSO once upon a time became the CSDC Director. She was about to go off to Camp School when she realized that to "fit in", she needed a uniform, at least the shirt. Since thru our Cub Scout days, I had been the uniformed one (CM) and she had seen no need as a "mere" CC and DL, this was a new idea to her. So she started looking around at the other Scouter types we ran into at various functions. I had collected a few knots along the way, and now these were of interest to her. What were they, exactly? What did they signify? With her past history, was it possible that she might get a knot to hang on the uni? So we went back to the old Pack leadership and figured out she qualified for at least two knots, DL and Cubber (I think that's what it's called). Going off to CSchool, she expected alot of real Scouty Scouters, and wondered how she might 'fit in'. Now with these two added "frou-frou", she felt she had added 'clout', would be more part of the "gang", and not such an outsider. And so she went to Camp School, had a veritable ball and the rest is history. She has since been awarded (in a surprise presentation, wasn't expecting it at all!) the District Award. Another knot. YiS

Behavior is a choice. Choices have consequences. As humans, we are perhaps unique in being able to PREDICT the consequences of our choices. "What was I thinking?" as the C&W song reminds us. Now, what do we tell our boys about 1) what they heard that night, 2) Why Johnny ain't at Troop meeting any more, 3) Why everybody is looking strange at Mr. XYZ and Ms. QPR, 4)Why Mr. DEF isn't ASM anymore... THEY did THIS and HERE's what happened?

OOps, forgot that part. I usually mention the website that I am familiar with that keeps track of the trail pedigree for my particular ash trail. The paper copy of this trail would entail about 50 or 60 pages. That's why God created the internet.

Usta be Webelos Son decided he would take his chore/bday and xmas money and buy a *5 D cell Mag light* (that's five!). Boy was/is it bright. Light can focus to a spot or a flood. Used engraving tool to personalize it. Took it Camping ONCE. Then he realized the benefits of AA cell flashlights. YiS

Thak you, Oak Tree, for trying to head'm off at the thread. I copied and reset and reknewed my acquaintance to the subject. All depends on who one counts and from when. 20%? 5%? 2%? 1.8%? Take your pick and the reasoning will follow. http://www.scouter.com/forums/viewThread.asp?threadID=146678&p=1 Is a 1930 Eagle "worth" the same as a 1960 Eagle or a 1980 Eagle or a 2003 Eagle? It is to the boy it is awarded to...

It is no accident that the first point of the Scout Law is "A Scout Is Trustworthy". I'd like to tell you two stories, one about ME, one about YOU. (((insert story here from your own history about being trusted with something new, expensive, important from when you were a boy))) Now, How many of you know your grand parents? Maybe your Great grandparents? Isn't that wonderful. When you go home from this((camporee, Webelos WE, etc)), visit them, call them. Ask them how things were when they were your age. They are walking history. My mother told me of watching the dirigible Hindenburg fly over her house. Hear them out before you have to say, "I wish I'd asked them about..." Okay, now think back beyond your GGparents, your GGGGparents, think back 1,000 2,000 even a million generations. Some body, one of YOUR ancestors, first brought a hot burning stick back to his family's camp or cave. He found it next to a tree that had been struck by lightning, or next to a lava flow. Somewhere along the way, they figure out that this hot stuff could be kept going by adding more sticks to it. WOW!! it kept us warm at night, kept the big animals away. OOPS, dropped that loin of Sabertooth in the fire (is that what we call it now? Fire...) ummmm smells interesting! AND BARBECUE WAS INVENTED!! but I digress... Hey, look at this, if I hit these two rocks together, it..sparks... Maybe if we... rub these dry sticks together... We have learned to use fire to keep us warm, to cook our food, carry us to the Moon and beyond. We use it to create and heal...and to kill and destroy. That choice is yours and mine to make. But one thing has remained. The power of the naked flame to draw us together. Since the time of the neanderthal family in front of their cave, Scouts, church camps, YMCA camps, soldiers on picket duty, all know the desire to just sit around a camp fire and be together. We sing, we share stories, There Is A Fire At The Center. It is spiritual, it is visceral. It is universal. Robert Baden-Powell recognized this early on and started a tradition of collecting ashes from the campfire he had just been to. In the morning, when the fire was cold, he would collect some small amount of ash and take it with him to the next campfire. When that fire was cold, he would collect some ash from that fire ring, and so on. He kept track of the history, the "pedigree" of the ash trail. I have here ((hold up baggy)) ash from the ((last camporee, Woodbadge, etc.)). The pedigree of these ashes includes the last jamborees, , campfires from Scouting events, church camps, and other places all the way back to the Brownsea Island Camp. ((throw the ashes in the fire)) . It is a continuation of that tradition, started so many years ago. If you would like a souvenir of this campfire, tomorrow morning there will be some baggies here and you may help yourself. The tradition will continue if YOU continu it. You can have a piece of Baden-Powells campfire. And your mom will ask "what's this bag of dirt doing on my kitchen counter?" And you can tell her. Now, How do I know all this is true? Did these ashes realy continue the trail from Brownsea island? Because another Scout told me... and A Scout is Trustworthy. You have a good night..

I have a favorite organization that I name in my will. I stipulate that $1000. is to go to renovate a particular house they use and $200. is to be spent on a pizza and beer party for the Board of Directors. And my daughter gets my vinyl collection and turntable. Son gets the Lionel set. I like the tavern idea. Time to call the attorney...

I concur with the above. The same request showed up at my home email and at work. Each had a different "hook", with the same request. I "deleted" without opening.

Please,please, please.... campfires and computers do not mix. CPUs melt. Remember: Virtual Crackerbarrel!! Howdy tagguy, company at last from the Old Line State. YiS

Wolf Even Bear Eventually Lion On to Scout I think I remember my CM telling us that. Then "they" told us it was "We Be Loyal Scouts" . Poor grammar. I think I liked my version better. Wear the knot, already.

mmm-mmm-mmm. Sounds like the start of a Pulitzer Prize documentary if I ever heard one. Where's Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward when you really need them? Are ANY of ther CAC present board former Scouts? and who gave their memories the quick wash and rinse? Does the SE hold a realtors license?

Time has passed. How goes Chicago Area Council and Camp Owasippe? ""How high's the water, mama?""

" I love it when a plan comes together" Mucho congrats.. Don't forget to let others have some fun too. Ya gotta make sure other parents have some of the good feeling too! In other words, don't let yourself do everything. KiS MiF YiS