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I posted this in another thread sometime ago. I thought it might fit in with the discussion here. It seems that our "Christian" celebration is a rather modern invention. Our American Christian forefathers and founders didn't much care for Christmas celebrating and even sought to abolish it. http://www.cedarlane.org/98serms/s981206.html II. Christmas in America During Colonial Period During this time of turmoil in England, English settlers arrived in America. The English who settled in the south were those who enjoyed drinking in excess as the way to celebrate December 25. F

dan, I don't know where to send a letter of unsupport. But I would suggest sending letters of support to his Council and to national. I think our support would far outweigh his.

klsdr, I'm at a loss in how to respond to your comments. First, I'd be interested in knowing what denomination your church is. I'm Southern Baptist and spent some time as a Minister of Youth. When our kids entered junior high, they became part of the youth group which ran from 7th grade thru 12th grade. While Sunday School classes were age specific and even gender specific, all youth activities were open to each youth. Of course, adult supervision was always on hand. And some of the activities were by specific Sunday School classes and divisions. I'm not sure why you think kids sho

Geez Eisely, there you go stirring the pot again! LOL Three cheers for Lambert trying to be the best scout he can be by following 11 points of the Scout Oath. Now if he could have only managed the 12th point, he would be exemplory. Who would want a policeman that followed all the rules set forth for him except the rule about excessive use of force? How about a fireman who followed all the rules except for running back into a burning building to save a child? How about a doctor who follows all of the rules except the one that says they have to treat any patient in need of medical

Rooster, You're shameless!!! LOL Keep it up!

NativeTexan, I can relate to your story. Our son is 9 and became a Christian a little over a year ago. I don't remember what prompted the conversation, but he was talking about the moment of silence his school observes every morning. He talked about how some of the kids misbehave. When we asked him what he did, he said, "I ask God to forgive me for my sins." I'm a pretty big ol' boy, but I have to tell you I got pretty choked up. It's nice to know that the example we set sinks in more than we know.

It is that time of year again. The Holiday season, led off by Thanksgiving. We do a lot of things in these forums. We share information, advice and frustrations. We get into lively debates on different issues, occasionally heated, but usually friendly. Let's take time to think about what we are thankful for and then share it with each other. I'm thankful especially in these uncertain times to be an American. I'm thankful for our freedoms. I'm thankful for my family, my job, my home, my health, my church, my God and my friends. I'm thankful for all the blessings the Lord has given

I know this is unrealistic and would never happen, but wouldn't it be great if chartering organizations were required to have both Cubs and Boy Scouts? They would have a much better chance for interaction and possibly increase their crossover rates. We have a Den Chief who shows up for about half the den meetings, sits in a chair and hands out snacks at the end of the meeting. I've got a hunch that the majority of our Webelos 1's will drop out after next year. Perhaps if the church who sponsors us had a Boy Scout troop too and they met at the same location, the boys would have an idea of w

I'll get hit over the head by some people here for saying this, but here goes. I am not a cub leader....yet. I have been thinking about it. The main reason is because our den leader does not control the den. It is a Webelos den of 15 boys. For whatever reason, the Cub Master and Den Leader do not want to split it into two seperate dens right now and instead split the boys into 2 or 3 groups during the meeting and send them to different rooms to work on projects in an attempt to gain some control. This still does not work, they wander from room to room when they are not supposed to. Most

Here is a partial transcript from the O'Reilly factor concerning accomodating religious issues for Muslim students in public schools. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,70977,00.html

Basically, cubs covers this range: 6 years old - 1st grade - Tigers 7 years old - 2nd grade - Wolves 8 years old - 3rd grade - Bears 9 years old - 4th grade - Webelos 1 10 years old - 5th grade - Webelos 2 There is some overlap of age because of when birthdays fall. Just how much younger do you want it to go? Pre-school age? Younger kids always want to do what older kids are doing. Many Cubs want to do Boy Scout activities, but just are not up to the task of handling camp stoves and cooking and pitching tents by themselves. Some can, but many can't.

Rooster, My comment about God creating man from the dust of the Earth was more or less a joke. But when you consider that evolutionist question how life began and raise questions about the primordial ooze; and then read in the Bible that God created man from the dust of the Earth, there are striking similarities. One of the main differences being the process and the "who" that caused it. The creation story and scientific theories on how our planet formed have many similarities with the exception being the length of time involved. For a strict literal creationist, it took 6 literal 24

For those interested in public schools and religious issues, you might want to watch the O'Reilly Factor on Fox News tonight. Here is one of the topics of discussion for tonight: "Should public schools change their rules to accomodate the religious practices of Muslim students? Parents and students in Maryland are struggling with that question right now."

Rooster:....believe in a man-concocted theory about how life evolved on earth from the non-living to the living.... Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't God create man from the dust of the earth in Genesis? That is quite an "evolution"!

Robk, you said: Since you think it's a science issue, and not a religous issue, it's alright for the government to force your beliefs on others who do think it is a religous issue? Rob, let me throw something back at you. If an orthodox Jewish child goes to the school cafeteria and they are serving hotdogs for lunch or canadian bacon pizza, isn't that a violation of his religious beliefs? Since they are serving something that his religion allows him to eat, shouldn't they quit forcing their "religious" belief on him? I mean after all, the eating of pork is a "religious issue" for a Je

Rooster, Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do not believe that anyone in this thread has presented evolution as a fact. Actually, I've gone out of my way repeatedly to say that it is a theory and not a fact. MOST science is theory! It is always being reviewed in light of new discoveries and evidence and the theory is tested. Each time the test results are known, the theory is either farther substantiated or further questioned. By your argument that it should not be taught until proven a FACT, then hardly any science should be taught in school.

I'm having a really really lousy day at work today, so I only had time to find one source. It is: http://www.cedarlane.org/98serms/s981206.html II. Christmas in America During Colonial Period During this time of turmoil in England, English settlers arrived in America. The English who settled in the south were those who enjoyed drinking in excess as the way to celebrate December 25. For example, Maryland-bound passengers aboard a boat in 1633 so immoderately drank wine on Christmas that the next day thirty sickened of fever and about a dozen died. Up in New England the Pil

Robk, In a post to me on Saturday 11/16, you said this: I am amazed at your inablity to see that evolution, while not a teaching of any religion, because it directly contradicts the teachings of certain religions, is de facto a religous teaching. This is where everyone says you are calling evolution a de facto religion. While you said it is not a teaching of ANY religion, it is de facto a religious teaching. I think many people have a problem seeing how an teaching can be religious while not being part of a religion. As I've said in the past, to a Creationist who views it in

Evmori, The bank Lobby may be open and cash checks, take deposits and make loans. All of the other departments are closed and not functioning. All of the checks, deposits and loans accepted will be processed on Monday night along with Monday's work. Banks transfer funds back and forth thru the federal reserve as a central bank. The bank may "appear" open on Sunday, but it is for customer convenience. The actual "work" of the bak is done when they can communicate with other banks and the Fed. My wife and I have been in the business for over 20 years. Most people have no idea how the

Not to speak for Merlyn, but I don't think that is what he said. He was pretty clear. Companies should give floating holidays in place of established holidays to allow employees from varying walks of life the ability to celebrate the holidays of choice. The idea has it merits, but would be a nightmare for employers, depending on the type of company. When it comes to a holiday like thanksgiving or Christmas, the vast majority of employees would want the holiday. If you only have 1% of your workforce show up, the company can't really function. Banks take the federal holidays because the Fe

Robk, With all due respect, you are totally coming out of left field. Regardless of the "logic" used (I'd call it rationalization) to come to your conclusion, evolution is not religion. There is no way you can define scientific study as religion in the same vein as Christianity, Islam, Hinduism or Judiaism. Not only are we talking apples and oranges here, we are talking apples and animals. I've been a Christian (Southern Baptist) for 38 of my 45 years. I graduated with a degree in religion from a Baptist University and worked halfway thru a Masters degree in Religious education. I'v

Acco40, We are discussing tax funded compulsory public school education where a variety of subjects are studied each year....including science. And evolution is taught as a theory (because it is) not a fact. Any scientist who claims evolution is fact would be laughed at by the majority of scientist. If any of you ever watch the Discovery Channel, Discovery Science or The Learning Channel you will not in practically every program discussing, planets, stars, evolution, dinosuars, etc. they always say scientists "believe" blah blah blah. Based on the evidence to date, they form their the

Maybe I'm missing something here. If you are not crossing over to Boy Scouts, why would you participate in a "Crossing Over Ceremony"? The name is kind of self evident to me. I would assume that the ceremony is for those who have chosen to move directly from being a Cub Scout to being a Boy Scout. The world already has too much of an entitlement attitude and this sounds like the kids who are not moving on to Boy Scouts feel like they are getting short changed if they don't get to participate. Kind of like those silly participation trophies they give in sports so kids feelings won't be hur

Wait, wait, wait!!! Weekender and Robk, you guys are dealing straight from your emotions and not from reason. The study of evolution is a scientific endeavor while the belief in the Creation account in Genesis is a religious one. Scientists who study the theory of evolution are doing so strictly for scientific reasons and are not trying to discredit Creationism. If anything, they are indifferent to it and don't even consider it. Evolution is science and students study science. It is not religion. Because you see them in direct conflict with each other, YOU percieve it to be a religious

I know the issue of BDU's has been beat to death in other threads, so I won't belabor the point too much. Perhaps BSA could take a "hint" from BDU's and put adjustable tabs in the waist instead of elastic. We had trouble buying my son's pants too. The size we bought for him fits him today, next summer they won't. The next size up swallowed him even with the elastic. Adjustable tabs allow you to take in and let out several inches with a custom fit instead of having to cinch big elastic pants with a belt and having a bunch of uncomfortable folds of material around your waist. Regardless of