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I suggested splitting our 14 boy den into two dens to the Cub Master. He is at all of our meetings as his son is in the den. He said that for now they do not want to split theden, but want to split them into seperate groups and rooms during meetings. I didn't really get an explanation for why. To split them during meetings is practically the same thing, but not really. Since they are alll there at the same time and in adjoining rooms, you still end up with the same rowdiness with only a smidgen of control.

I wish I had some answers for you. I'm just a parent and not active in the leadership. My son Joined as a Webelos just two months ago. He loves going to the pack meetings. Why shouldn't he? He is a 9 year old 4th grader who looks for any opportunity to hang with other boys his age regardless of where or what. But for me, I am totally frustrated!!! We had a meeting tonight and I had to go sit in my truck for 15 minutes to settle my nerves. I want my son in scouting, but this is not what I bargained for. I have never seen such chaos in all my life. The leadership sees it and they are t

Rooster, Our forefathers WERE Christians. Like my example said, if our forefathers had been Hindu, then obviously the building block would have been Hindu values and teachings. The standard was establised because of who and what they were, not because they studied a lot of other systems looking for the best they could find. They went with what they knew. I've never said that laws or J-C values were unconstitional because they are based on religious principles. Almost all basic laws has some religious roots in any culture. What I was responding to earlier was the person who compl

Actually, to say that our nation was founded on Judeo-Christian values is not quite correct. Our nation began with Christians fleeing religious persecution in the old world. There were no Jews on the Mayflower. Christians of that time (just as today) did not see the Bible as half Jewish (the OT) and half Christian (the NT). They saw the whole Bible and it's teachings and values as Christian. The term Judeo-Christian didn't even come into existence until the mid 20th century. Yes, half the values of the Bible are Jewish and all the values of the Bible are Christian. But our nations gover

Packsaddle, That "doctrine" gets blown way out of proportion by the media and people outside the Baptist church. One verse gets all the attention without considering the whole context. Her it is in the whole context: Epesians 5:22 Wives, be subject to your husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. 24 As the church is subject to Christ, so let wives also be subject in everything to their husbands. 25 Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, 2

To expand on Littlebillie's question, for funsies let's say that the new world was settled by Hindu's escaping religious persecution instead of Christians. Let's say that they formed a democratic form of government and their laws and schools were founded on Hindu values. Now let's say that over the course of 250 years many Christians immigrated to the nation founded on Hindu values. As a Christian, would you be happy if the schools were teaching these Hindu values or would you want the values taught to reflect your belief? This nation is a melting pot and it's made up of many different ty

Bob, I understand that. My point is that if the guy has 40 acres and he shoots them 20 or 30 acres away from the scouts on his own, does that mean the scout leadership should cancel the trip if they knew he was going to do it? They would not be taking part in the fireworks display or even be close to it. It would only be visible to them from a distance.

Wait! I agree with everyone else's statements, but.... acco40 states in later posts that the event will be on private property and the person shooting the fireworks is the owner of the land. While still not a good idea, as long as the owner wants to shoot the fireworks on his land and it is away from the troop and the owner is not part of the leadership, I don't know that anyone could tell him no. Acco40, tell me if I got the scenario right.

weekender - Wow, Y'all didn't just miss the boat on that one...you're in the wrong port. I did NOT say parents should abdicate their responsibilities related to raising their children. Just the opposite. Parents need to take that back from a corrupt and morally bankrupt school system. We understood what you said. But look at what you said, "Parents need to take that back from a corrupt and morally bankrupt school system." I don't know about you Weekender, but I don't have to take that back from the school system. In the first place, they didn't take it and in the second place, I never

weekender, I am a devout Southern Baptist Christian with a degree in Religion. I am raising my son with the values I learned from my parents, who learned them from their parents. As a Southern Baptist educated in a Southern Baptist University, I not only know what I believe, I know why I believe it. Because of that, while I respect other people's denominations and beliefs, I don't agree with many of their teachings. They read the same Bible as me and get totally different interprtations. I leave my son's religious education to myself and our church. My son attends public school. It

Which model of Timberline tents do most of you use and for how many sleepers? 2 or 4?

Geez, I don't want to be the only one to sound a sour note and it really isn't meant to sound that way. You are right, we live in a very convenient microwave oven socitey where our kids are spoon fed. While it is our job to guide and encourage the boys, you can only help someone who wants to be helped and who is willing to help themselves. As has been said many times in these threads, scouting isn't for every boy. Some will thrive on it and some won't like it. If the boys find it boring even after all your attempts to make it not boring within the established guidelines, then maybe the bo

momandscout, I had two patches sewn onto my son's tae kwon do uniform by an alteration shop. Each one was round and about the same diameter of a coke can. They charged $6.00 to sew on both I believe. My wife tried using some fabric glue on our son's scout uniform and they started turning lose the first time he wore it. So, begrudgingly she pulled out her sewing kit and stitched each one on. I'm not sure how much you should charge. Maybe for a new shirt that needs a council patch, troop/pack number, world scouting emblem and one rank badge you could charge $5.00. That would be a bar

Scoutnut, I know about the plastic sleeves. We have several different sizes that we use for temp patches that don't have an attached button loop. However, even though made for the purpose, I don't think the huge 4 compartment one for the rank patches is appropriate for pemanent wear. An alteration shop will sew them on for a small fee if someone can't do it themselves. Also, the ScoutShop online sells a fabric glue for faastening patches. The thing is just so huge on a small Cubs shirt and flops around. It looks tacky. Just my opinion and pet peeve.

"We went to the moon? Well, there are some who still maintain in the face of all the evidence that it was staged by Hollywood.

It never ceases to amaze me the number of people who will argue against the validity of the scientific process while sitting in their electrically lit, air conditioned home while typing messages on a computer (that is thousands of times more powerful than the computers that controlled a visit to the moon) over the internet. Yes, science is a bunch of bunk! I'm going back to my cave to eat some raw meat. We haven't discovered fire in my neck of the woods yet.

Talk to your Cub Master and find out how and where to sign up for training classes. Take as many as you can as often as you can.

I know my situation probably (hopefully) is not a common one. My son joined as a Webelo 1 just shy of 2 months now. We bought his tan uniform and I went to great lengths (got out the ruler) to make sure his patches are placed properly. I showed him how to roll his neckerchief. I go to the den meetings and pack meetings and it drives me nuts. I have my doubts if this pack has ever done an inspection. The den leaders son came to the den meeting this week wearing camo pants with the legs ripped off halfway between the ankle and knee. Tennis shoes with no socks. His shirt untucked and half

If one believes in Christian Election or Predestination, then doesn't one have to believe that God made us the way we are....heterosexual or homosexual? If our life and fate has been predestined, we can not change it even if we wanted to.

Probably not to play "chicken little". I agree that we could all move to a more "green" attitude, but I look around me and don't see all the problems that tree huggers claim. Yes, if you go to LA, it is smogsville. If you go to Dallas, it isn't. LA is overtaxed. Dallas, as big as it is, is not. I've literally gone from coast to coast and from border to border in this great nation and traveld abroad and I see tons of livable and farmable land sitting fallow. There are many places you can go in the world and never see another human being. How can you say that the carrying capacity has be

Ok, now my 2 cents worth. Annalisa asked, "tell me what kind of ice cream you want, vanilla or chocolate"? What she got was questions about why she is serving ice cream, is she secretly trying to fatten us up and add to the obesity problem of the nation and that she should really use a scooper instead of a spoon to serve it. She is writing a thesis assigned in class and her teacher approved her idea. Period. She does not need comment on her motives, agenda, length of the thesis, etc. She just needs you comments about what you see as the pros and cons of women being involved in scouting.

I'm sure Bob White could answer this. Most people have no idea how to effect this kind of change. So you have parents, scouts and leaders who dislike the quality of the uniform.....how do you get National to listen? People could call them individually and complain....which I'm sure happens all the time. How do you organize with a unifed voice and say, "hey, we have no problem whtsoever with a uniform, we just think it can be better quality and more functional" and get them to listen and take action? While some people would complain about additional cost, I'd go for an official Class A and

Merlyn, Quit picking and choosing what you want to use as evidence and what you don't. If you decided to create a Private Organization in the same vein as Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts or Campfire, you could. And that organization with it's private membership requirements could be sponsored by the military. Here is the document again that spells out the military's policy concerning Private Organizations on Military Installations. It is a document for ALL private organizations.....not just the Boy Scouts. Read it, learn it, live it. Your argument is invalid. http://www.usapa.army.mil/

willysjeep, It has been pointed out to me here in the threads that the Class A uniform is not intended for outdoor activity use. Most units have a "class B" uniform that they choose and wear. How can wearing a shirt emblazoned with a variety of patches be a good idea if rock climbing or rafting? They are worn for traveling, ceremonies, events and meetings. Not intended for everyday camping and hiking use.

Bob, while I understand your point of not looking military, BDU's are not exclusive to the military. There are companies and stores that make and sell BDU's to the general population. The military uses them exclusively, but they are not exclusively military. I do think that scouts should probably not wear camo, but BDU's come in a variety of solid colors too. From a distance, a scout in olive BDU pants or shorts couldn't be distinguished from a scout in scout pants or shorts. Color is the same, cut is different.