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Please move to where ever it may be better. Just a note to say that California now has a new state law that means all volunteers working with youth have to take a state certified course and have it on file. They also will need to get fingerprinted as part of the process, and they will not take already on file prints. So, once they figure out the prints process, I will need to get it done again, even though on file as a teacher. Already took the online course and have my certificate. Frankly, it is not a hard course, though a bit long. I think YP is more detailed, personally. Am now a ma

Like this new word; "disapparated". Can we get a definition please, or should we all come up with our own? Disappear and dissipate merged?🧐

Because many units still adhere to the "old boy" standard. And, as is obvious on these various Scouting sites, there are still many mired in the past and some that are still misoginistic. Sad, but true. Half of the leaders at summer camp now are female though, and t that is still mostly boy units. I personally, even though some might think I would be in the past "attitude" hope National will climb out of the dark and realize that coed units for Scout age are practical and also will lend themselves to growth. Many small units could add a patrol of girls, while still maintaining proper le

This specific piece seems to almost offer a challenge to the larger society to follow certain well established guidelines seen in BSA's basic tenets. Do we, or can we, as an organization respond today to this challenge, as once we did. Are we going to allow the misguided directions of much of our larger society to cancel our important contributions? Can we take the indirect challenge the author seems, to me, to be making? Take a look. You might expand to other elements of the site from which this comes, as it appears to have some really important discussions offered. https://w

Another skit that has fallen to the arrows of misdirected offence.

Mean while, I observed that the hype for this is still going strong on TV, along with similar campaigns to milk the public with temptation to claim "stuff" for possibly large money. Watching lame holiday movies and such all afternoon and evening on Christmas, the channels were flooded with comeons for not just BSA Abuse, but the Catholic Church of course, and generic ones not specific to one group. On top of that were the long running other big suits for chemicals, asbestos, various medications, baby powder, and any "possible" damages related to an accident of some sort. DO NOT try to tell

Doing troop and council history search. Our first troop Eagle, Harry Dudley is noted in this clipping. He became Eagle the next year. But, the detail in the article fits this discussion, or so it seems to me. Note especially the comment that this program was run entirely by youth.

It is in response to the link on Purdue, though that likely should have been seen. But, I can not ever make some individuals look beyond their own bias and darkness. Still, IF you believe in something, I still offer you too a Merry Christmas where we in theory celebrate the birth of a Love most of us struggle to emmulate. 🎅

Well, that just churns up the silt some more for me. I can see connections in the discussion, but it really is not the same thing at all, other than a massive attempt to solve a wrong without really solving anything. And BSA is a NFP entity, so the damage really mostly affects those that BSA serves, the youth. No such thing as a "fair" outcome in reality. Some will never be satisfied, few if any victims will be made even close to whole, and unless we learn something, as a society, little will change. Back to "lady justice" with her scales. Merry Christmas.

From my perspective, that realization should bee part of the mentoring. Far too many units have put Eagle as the ultimate success, and often pushed other out that were more in it for the adventure or fellowship. So, when they did not advance fast enough, or at all, they became ignored for the most part. Yet, I have been priileged to have a number of youth stay to and past graduation, never going beyond First Class. But they were great scouts and leaders, and they encourage younger scouts to work on advancement, even as they chose not to. A couple had physical issues that they chose to eit

Should we be surprised? From the outset, there have been predators, from the legal system, preying on victims, including causing some, perhaps many, who have learned over time to deal with their personal demons to relive the pain and suffering at some level. And mostly, this was more for money than real concern for victims. JMO of course. But, to me, it is part and parcel of the messed up legal system that preys on victims with hype and promises, not caring if it may cause renewed emotional trauma, or affect others that in reality have little or nothing to do with the original trauma. Far

That really lies in how well existing youth leadership groups alread established do their missions. The OA is, nor ever was, supposed to be a broad youth leadership group within BSA. Originally it was honorary specificlly to promoting the outdoor program within units and setting public examples of outdoor respect. It was an adjunct, not supposed to be a Scout/Scouter honor group, but only an honor "camping" group with a connection to Native American outdoor respect The fact that it somehow turned into something broader may, in itself, be why many lodges do not function ideally. In m

Almost all the separate congregations that are, and have been involved for decades likelfile as requested. I know locally that every church with a unit or more was specifically asked to file the needed documents early on.

Well, if he is/was, they did the right thing. Yes?

While this item was shared with me from a former scout who has a daughter in the Virginia GS council, I found it interesting. It seems that we might well look at this type of arrangement, with some alterations of course, for our councils. It certainly puts the opportunity with the girls, IF the adults pay attention. We all likely have seen the youth come up with great program options and then get shot down of course. The best troops already do this of course with well run leadership and program work. Anyway: GIRL ADVISORY BOARD (GAB) CHARGE MISSION: The Girl Advisory Board (G

Not that I am aware of. But, I am simply me, and I do not have the power of omniscience.

An absolutely accurate comment, even for those of us that feel the process has to have some type of "balance", for lack of what seems to be a better word. There is no absolute cure; again, beat to death. There is a way to recognize past errors in judgement and societal responses, and to make efforts to stop those as often as possible, given the propensity of some to not pay attention or trust, even when the indicators are there. I do not feel that the survivors should not be helped and given recompense. But that cannot be limitless, and it should not be built on the backs of other innocent

And you would be wrong. But I also have no idea how to come up with a number for the damages, especially since so much is emotional and has no accurated way to measure. As I said to TN; good luck and I truly hope you find some way to deal with your personal issues beyond casting blame and insinuation on others. As I noted, the help is far beyond me, or anyone pressing this. Judgement is not mine, it is greater than any of us. Merry Christmas to you as well; please find some comfort in the real message of the season.

Well, miley is of no interest, and we will view the mess differently. I pray that somehow some lessening of the burden happens, but just not at the expense of the, as we have said again and again, the total destruction of the largely great program. Ill feelings also are beyond most our pervues, but the level is not mine to judge. You and others have that right, and if I had the way to do it, I would somehow take it away. Again, I do not have that power, and so again, I wish you well and hope you might find some kind of position closer to peace. Good luck, and Merry Christmas or whatever p

It cannot fully compensate, or cure, or fix. We reach the point of punishing the innocent at the expense of an impossible goal. They could give you all a billion dollars, and you still would still not be made whole; and the hate and enmity would still be there. That lies in the realm of powers that supercede this whole mess.

Well, I would say that at least makes a picture that makes some sense, though is really still apples and oranges to some extent. Also, far too many questions arise as to how many valid claims there may be, and also the categories in which they fall in the continum devised by the "experts".

That is something that I cannot explain. Just compensation that completely ruins an overly very positive community asset is, in my perspective not just at all. I have no issue with fair compensation, just with finding the most dollars, even if it means destroying BSA and its mostly positive outreach. I have noted that paying for real pain and whatever counseling may be needed should be part of it; but simply ignoring the effects on others, especially that had nothing to do with it, is just as unfair, or out ow balance. It comes from a different perspective or something. A psychologist mig

Yes, it really is one big question as to what is real and what is simply modern societal confusion. There are many old saws that could apply, but it basiclly comes back down to the lack of "balance", like on the Lady's scale. Locally meanwhile, some units are rebuilding trails with the FS, others are doing outreach to the homeless, and food pantries are getting somehow restocked. Scouts help with civic ceremonies and still go camping and have fun, even with the many restraints. The idea that the huge value of the larger, and still working program should be tossed to the rubbish heap due to

And the violin continues as Rome is burning. I had a short interaction with an elderly woman at our church, a Methodist, about her thoughts on the legal issues. It is interesting how so many of what most would consider the average citizen seem to still have a positive feeling about Scouts and are just as disappointed and frustrated as many of us here. We keep coming back to my term, balance, and how that really is NOT a word that the loudest proposents care to hear. Again, the main considerations, in various stances are money, vengence, general malice, exageration, and messed legal system.

Once again, the malice and greed shows through; or so it appears with this scenario. That is what is wrong with the whole mess. Too many inidividuals that are simply looking for money and or vengence. The xxx with any peripheral damage and those harmed.