scoutldr

"Talked to a guy this week, friend of his hired a kid to mow yard, next thing he knows OSHA shows up and demands payment of $15,000 for him hireing an underage worker (by one year) to run power equipment, said lawnmower. Turns out it was the kid that turned him in, thinking the $15,000 fine would be his reward." Um...I used to work for OSHA as a compliance officer. The above statement is simply not true. First of all, OSHA law does not cover independent contractors, and secondly, it does not apply to employers with less than 10 employees. And a $15000 fine would be for a "Willful" violation with severe consequences, such as a fatality...very rare and hard to prove. OSHA officers do not "show up and demand payment"...they issue citations which can be contested and are usually negotiated down in court. SHeesh. We now return to the topic at hand...

Ok, JOhn, I concede those points. LNT, certainly. But what I was remembering (from memory) was Edible plants First aid Trailing, tracking and stalking (incl trail signs) Cooking Camping Knots and Lashings Hiking (as in "five mile hikes x 3") Swimming Fire starting (w/o matches) Knife and axe Celestial navigation Orienteering (Map and compass) (ok, maybe "map and GPS") Signaling (I still remember most of the semaphore...hope to use it one day) Basic survival

"Anyway, for a Scoutcraft one week course, what would you say would be essential?" All of the T-2-1 requirements. From the 1965 edition of the BS Handbook.

As someone said earlier, the registration fee goes to National. If they want a refund, tell them they'll have to call the Council because you don't have it to give back to them. As to the kid who was elected PL on his first night...well that may have been a little overwhelming to him, and I don't blame him. He can't even spell "Tenderfoot" yet and they want him to be a PL?

Simple answer: BSA says any adult 21 or older can be SM, as long as they are not avowed gay, agree to the Declaration of Religious Principles and are approved by the CO. Your chartering organization can limit it to whomever they deem suitable as long as they meet the membership rules of BSA.

Yah, the link doesn't work. Must be a local lodge thing...we don't have them in this neck of the woods...just the universal arrow "dangle" that most people don't wear anyway.

The original Venturing pants and shorts are on clearance for 17.99 and 15.99.

It's encouraged, but there is no BSA policy on it. You may hear an urban myth that in order to be covered by BSA accident insurance, you must be in uniform, but that has been debunked. We do it, just for PR purposes, but as soon as we arrive at destination, the shirts come off and we get down to work setting up camp.

The shorts and pants are already being advertised on Scoutstuff e-mails. I thought the Switchbacks were supposed to eliminate the need for shorts.

Not sure why a scout would wear a pin to signify something his parents did. Shouldn't THEY be wearing the pin? I agree with the others...be clean and neat. Leather dress shoes are good, but any shoe should be fine, as long as it's not ratty looking. The pins are not part of the official uniform, so take them off. Do wear the correct service stars. Start sewing the merit badges. I don't mind seeing an "experienced" uniform that reflects an active Scout, as long as it is proper and clean. Wear the MB sash...it's part of a complete uniform (as are the pants). Your OA pocket flap denotes your membership in the Order, so a sash is not necessary. Just my opinion. And congratulations!!!

IMHO in these days of strapped municipal and state budgets, this type of thing will become more common. I can see a whole new insurance niche rising up to meet this need..."Rescue Insurance". In the old days, fire departments were by subscription only. If you wanted fire protection, you paid your fee and put a cast iron plaque on the front of the house. If the fire brigade pulled up and there was no plaque, they kept going and let 'er burn. Living on the coast, the USCG will no longer respond to boaters who have run out of gas or have engine trouble. You need to call a tow service and expect to pay about $400 for a tow back to shore (think AAA for boats). Fair? I think so.

Boomer...your example depends on someone getting off their duffs and creating something of value from a raw material. That's the piece that's missing from today's society. Wealth cannot be "created"...it is merely a raw material (supply) which is transformed into something that someone else thinks has value (demand). When the "supply" becomes available for free (i.e., redistributed to those who don't pay for it), it ceases to have value (wealth), and there is no longer an incentive for someone to get off their duffs. And that will be the end of our society as we know it.

"Wealth cannot be created out of nothing" You obviously haven't been following politics.

Sounds like they need to retire that game. Nowadays, we just print enough money so everyone gets what they want.

There's also the "Herbert C. Bonner Bridge".

Short answer: no. Since the trailer was already purchased, isn't this discussion moot?

Hmmm...after Boddie-Noell Enterprises of Rocky Mount, NC no doubt. Expect to see a lot of hamburgers and french fries in the dining hall.

Repeat after me: "LAFFEY" Again: "LAFFEY"

First of all, kudos for having a monthly "outing". A lot of troops don't do that well. But if they only meet twice a month, that only gives them (usually) one meeting to plan the next "outing". (The scouts plan, not the adults, right???) The "goal" is to meet weekly with one outing a month...12 months a year. And there's nothing that says the meetings have to be indoors in a classroom setting. Be creative.

Congratulations! It is indeed gratifying to see. I gotta comment, though...I think if I were the MB counselor, I could have found a way for him to do both...like had him come see me later in the day and make it up during free time?

That "wealth redistribution" thing that got them elected. I realize that my loss was due to the stock market crash, and being a good Conservative, I take full responsibility for that risk-taking and don't want nor expect a "bailout" from my fellow citizens. I'd just like to hang on to what's left so I can support myself when I'm too old and sick to work. Self-sufficiency, ya know? It's a wonderful concept. ;-) (I do feel better now, thanks.)

"You want this and that and the other thing, great, the wealthy can pay for it." So, who decides what "wealthy" is? I've heard six different definitions since the start of the campaign. Everyone always thinks "wealthy" is anyone making more than them. Well, the reality is, everyone is going to be hit. You tax the small businessman, he will just lay off people to compensate...if he can stay in business at all. Yes, I am relatively "well off". I was born to a Navy Enlisted man and stay at home mom. We didn't have much, but I didn't notice. I went to college (state school and lived at home) and got a Masters all on my OWN nickel, while working a "part time" job of 38 hrs a week. I had two kids and my wife stayed home to raise them while I worked a "white collar", but entry level state job (I thought I was rich when I broke 5 figures). We sacrificed to do it...no new cars, no cable TV, no eating out. If cell phones had been invented, we wouldn't have had them either. We saved for our kids educations and with help from my parents' meager inheritance, I sent them both to college WITHOUT the benefit of any financial aid. Since then, I have doubled up on my retirement savings, only to see half of it evaporate in the last year. And now, OBAMA and PELOSI want to take what I have left and "redistribute" it to those who won't work and have 6 illegitimate kids all with different last names??? I'm sorry, but I am OUTRAGED. Nobody ever gave me a DIME. And yes, I give liberally to charity...but that's MY BUSINESS...not yours, not the Liberals (most of whom don't have any "skin" in the game anyway), not the GOVERNMENT's, and NOBODY has a God-given right to the fruits of MY labor and sacrifice, unless I consent to it. And THAT's in the Constitution.(This message has been edited by scoutldr)

I can't get a signal in my office due to the building construction. Do I have a right to demand they fix that? I think a copper screen placed above the drop ceiling in every classroom would do the trick. Expensive, tho. A better solution would be to just expel them and not issue them a diploma. Especially a private school! You want a diploma, go take the GED test. Try pulling this at Annapolis or West Point and try to get "forgiveness". The funny thing is this school charges more than $10 grand a year tuition, which parents gladly pay to shield their kids from "those bad influences in the public schools", as a co-worker told me. I reminded him that he was referring to me and MY kids. As Pogo would say, "we have met the bad influences, and they is us!" As one commenter noted, "a coupla Nuns with wooden rulers would have this nonsense straightened out in a day!"(This message has been edited by scoutldr)

By Lauren Roth The Virginian-Pilot July 14, 2009 VIRGINIA BEACH The world of crib sheets and scribbled notes under hat brims has collided with the realm of technology. And one local school is dealing with the fallout. Dozens of seniors at Bishop Sullivan High School used cell phones cradled near their pockets to share answers to a test in the last weeks of school. In the end, a third of the members of the senior class were punished by an honor court of their peers. And half a dozen saw their memberships in the National Honor Society revoked. Matthew Smith, 19, who graduated from Bishop Sullivan this spring, said he heard or saw at least two students text messaging during the test on modern forms of government, the last before exams. "I didn't know they were texting all the multiple choice questions. I thought they were just asking for help," a more routine occurrence, Smith said. At least 30 of the 100 seniors at the close-knit Catholic school cheated, said Principal Dennis Price. The test was given in several class sections over the course of the day. The case illustrates educators' concerns about cell phones as a tool for dishonesty. A survey last month of more than 1,000 middle- and high schoolers found that 83 percent have cell phones. Among that group, more than a third admit using them to cheat in school. The survey also found that fewer than half of the students think texting answers during a test is a serious offense. A San Francisco non profit called Common Sense Media commissioned the survey. "It's not that with cell phones a new thing is happening," said Dan Wueste, director of the ethics institute at Clemson University. "All that's changed is the technology." Price said a Bishop Sullivan student alerted the administration to the widespread cheating. While disappointed by the behavior, "they're still kids," Price said. "They do dumb things. The objective is that they learn now." He said student and staff orientations this August will address the incident. Punishments were individualized by the honor court, and many of the students received a zero grade for the test and demerits on their record. Another spring graduate, Paige Dwyer, 18, said cheating was allowed to persist for too long. "This wasn't the first time. It just involved more people." She said it bothered her to see students accept awards at graduation only a few weeks after cheating. Several students described being part of a senior class praised as among the best. However, some turned a blind eye to requests for tips or clues about tests as their high school careers drew to a close. Like most local schools, Bishop Sullivan forbids student use of cell phones during the day. But cell phone policies seem to make little difference in student behavior. According to the Common Sense poll, 63 percent of students in schools that ban cell phones use them, and 66 percent use phones in schools that require them to be turned off. Wueste said that while cell phones have made cheating easier, prevention can be simpler as well. "Make them check them at the door," the ethicist said. Price said the school will not turn into "Big Brother" as a result of the cheating. "We're just going to be more vigilant, that's all." This was the first school year for a new honor code and peer judging council, both developed with input from students. The honor pledge states: "On my honor, I will not lie, cheat, or steal, nor will I give or receive unauthorized assistance on any work. I will expect the same of my peers." Price said he's disappointed by the students' behavior, but realistic. "Going in, we didn't expect it to change everything in one year," he said. "Our goal is to make sure it won't happen because students won't put up with it." Caitlyn Pugsley, 18, a member of the Class of 2009, said she felt hurt by her classmates' behavior but said the administration's reaction was appropriate. "Being at a Catholic school, we teach the forgiveness thing," she said. "Everyone deserves to be forgiven."

I think, Ed, the real problem is that MORE people exercised their right to vote. Whether they understood the issues and consequences or not. Whatever you think of Hannity, his "man on the street" interviews are eye-opening. Simple questions like "who did you vote for President" (Obama). "Who is the Vice President" (blank stare). "Who is Pelosi" (WHO?)...what does "cap and trade" mean (never heard of it). "Do you think everyone should have free health care?" (Sure) "How about free dental" (Sure) "How about free child care and transportation" (uh, yeah, I guess so)... And these people have decided our future. Truly frightening.