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Jamie Foxx, former boy scout, hip, kids know him, very talented, so talented that I doubt he would have the time. He would likely shake-up all the white conservatives who can't figure out how to attract Black, Hispanic, and Asian youth to Scouting. (This message has been edited by RememberSchiff)

bnelon44, I agree the Advancement Chairman/Committee schedule BOR's but there is no "invite" involved, at least not in my experience. The scout signs up for a scheduled BOR or waits for the next BOR. The AC does not chase after scouts who forgot either. As you point out, the scout learns to take responsibility. Another $0.01,

Inconsistent from one section to the next. Is advancement the responsibility of the scout(s) or everyone else? Does the SM have an advancement vision or does the SM help the scout form an advancement vision? Does the scout request/sign-up for a SM conference and BOR or is that an adult responsibility? Advancement is a journey or it is a destination (ranks) that needs to be "maximized" and tallied? Is advancement at the scout's pace, the group's pace, or a set pace, i.e., "practices that will bring each new Boy Scout to First Class rank within a year of joining, and then to Star rank the following year" (p13, item 7)? What crap, I thought we convinced National that FCFY was wrong! So what happens, National comes back with FCFYSSY. Active participation (p21). I do not know of any unit that will advance a scout if he is seriously behind (more than a month) in dues (his responsibility) or did not participate in the unit fundraiser, but this seems a no-no. Low attendance seems okay if a reason is provided, but it does not address attendance and a POR. This needs more thought and clarity. Correct and streamline Unit Advancement Responsibilities. "Build unit programming around advancement"???? Scouts plan the COH. Drop 7. "invite scouts to BOR"??? Drop 12. Some of these are for scouts to do. As for scouts with disabilities, units can discreetly handle requirement accommodations themselves thank you. No need to repeatedly send medical and private personal information to Council for each rank advancement. IMO, KISMIF. Trust the unit leaders to do the right thing, but give the scout (and his parents) a documented simple appeal process to review and fix any misunderstandings or problems be it the scout, the scoutmaster, the advancement chairman, troop program. Oh, and go back to working on ranks in sequence. My $0.01,

Wilderness Survival MB is still broken, WFA content is still not in First Aid MB. Fix both and make both prereqs for a SAR MB, then show me the remaining requirements which should include reading search reports of past lost scouts - what they did right/wrong, expense of search, injuries to all involved,... SAR MB is the right idea just do it right. Imagine Wilderness Survival back in BP's day, I bet scouts would be challenged to survive a solo overnighter (weekend) in each season, find game trails and build snares, or at least use the survival kit they assembled. IMO, more thought and challenge went into Chess MB than the current Wilderness or First Aid MB. My $0.01 for being a grouch

Boy Scouts review controversial anti-gay policy "...Boy Scouts of America spokesman Deron Smith said a resolution to amend the national policy to allow each Scoutings chartered group to set its own standards regarding gay members was turned in by a Scout leader from the Northeast before April 30, the deadline for submitting resolutions to the meeting. He said the resolution was read at the May 31 meeting." http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/06/12086046-boy-scouts-review-controversial-anti-gay-policy?lite

...where part of the profits go to sending kids to their 6 camps Nothing wrong with that, I wonder if each camp has a hockey program, eh? Good coffee (This message has been edited by RememberSchiff)

I can't fault Zach's efforts. I do wonder if his next step is to approach the VFW and the American Legion. That should be interesting. Small steps. My $0.02

Good interview of Zach Wahls, now there's an Eagle Scout. My $0.02 http://video.msnbc.msn.com/msnbc-tv/47616385/#47616385

MSNBC picked up the news story, hurray! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47615409/ns/business-careers/#.T8aU1MVqHQp

http://kgmi.com/To-always-be-prepared-Boy-Scouts-start-welding/12989761?newsId=145838 good article, excerpts below. Scouting should offer strong hands-on vocational merit badges, I remember when schools had "shop" classes to allow students a chance to try carpentry, metalwork, electrical work, plumbing,..good stuff. "More than 140,000 new welders will be needed by 2019 to replace retirees and meet rising demand from natural gas drillers, steel producers, automakers and more, according to the American Welding Society (AWS). The group helped the Boy Scouts of America award its first welding merit badge in March, hoping to offset waning interest in welding due to a cultural focus on four-year liberal arts degrees at the expense of community colleges and trade schools, industry experts say. "The Scouts start realizing that welding could lead to a viable career," said Sam Gentry of the AWS. "It's not just something to fix a fence." Among the roughly 450,000 U.S. welders, the average age is 55, and fewer than 20 percent are under the age of 35, according to AWS data. In addition to the Boy Scouts partnership, the AWS has boosted the amount in scholarships it doles out each year. It also built a $500,000 trailer equipped with "virtual" welding machines with the help of Lincoln Electric Holdings Inc. Last weekend, the machine made a pit stop at the Indianapolis 500 car race to tout the welding profession to young auto fans..." The Boy Scouts have already run out of their first printing of 11,000 welding training manuals, which cost about $5 each. Using the book, which outlines safety procedures, welding techniques and career potential, and through hands-on training in welding, Scouts can earn the badge in as little as 12 hours, the group says. "Boys like discovering things, exploring things with their hands," said Boy Scouts spokeswoman Renee Fairrer. "Something like welding is of interest to boys because it's not necessarily something they see as part of their everyday existence." A representative for the Girl Scouts of the USA wasn't available to comment on a potential welding merit badge for the group's members ..." (This message has been edited by RememberSchiff)

Have him read "If You Give a Mouse a Cookie" to his parents. I would wish him happiness and success on HIS trail to HIS life goals. My $0.02

He succeeds Robert Mazzuca, who is retiring at age 65 per the charitys bylaws. At age 63, Mr. Brock, who will take over in September, is approaching the age limit for chief executives. But Wayne Perry, a businessman who has been named the organizations national president and who served on the hiring committee that selected Mr. Brock, said trustees would vote to make an exception to the bylaws so Mr. Brock could serve until he is 67. In an interview with The Chronicle, Mr. Brock said he would focus on increasing the groups membership in the short time he has. What that does is put pressure on me to do it faster and not waste any time, he said. http://philanthropy.com/article/New-Boy-Scouts-CEO-Makes/131942/ I hope so, here's some advice for your two year term; no extension if membership does not increase. 1. local CO option on "eligibility" for membership and uniform. 2. bring back the scout adventure - we educate them and trust them. Managed risk, no adult patrol outings, and wheelbarrows allowed. Add Eagle project option - solo patrol trek. My $0.02

Everything is just fine. Here is Wayne talking about "National Council Effectiveness" For more 2 minute Wayne video blogs on youtube videos search WBtv Wayne Brock If anyone needs me, I will be outside hitting my head against an oak tree. My $0.02(This message has been edited by RememberSchiff)

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I hear ya. We have some Webs shooting 12 gauge semi's on a local ATA trap team. A few hunt turkey with their dads. We have Cubs who own and shoot their own 22 rifles (Cricket, Mini Bolt 14, CZ). BB at camp is a yawner, they would rather be back swimming at the waterfront.

My cubs would be doing 1 and 2 safely and having FUN. As a pack, we safely do shooting sports outside of scouting. Ditto with the troop which attended a CMP class. Never had a safety issue as none of the NRA or USA Archery instructors or our unit leaders would stand for any nonsense on the range. When other kids are safely doing activities which parents and adult leaders approve but National prohibits, we lose the whole scout family and worsen our chances of attracting more boys to scouting. My $0.02,(This message has been edited by RememberSchiff)

The American Hiking Society (AHS) and the BSA have put together this Volunteer Vacation to work on trail stewardship projects the week of Sept 22-29, 2012. Size: 24 participants Cost: $245 (AHS member) $275 (non AHS member, so if BSA you pay more???) - food included. No mention of BSA medical which seemed odd, but maybe outside groups attending Philmont set their own rules (hmmm...). Less fuss? Registration form: http://www.americanhiking.org/uploadedFiles/2012%20Registration%20Form%20Philmont.pdf?n=9415 Thought I would past this along.

I read Feuer's measure, Assembly Concurrent Resolution 128 that Merlyn mentioned. http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/bill/asm/ab_0101-0150/acr_128_bill_20120313_introduced.html I like it. My $0.02 Might as well cut and paste it BILL NUMBER: ACR 128 INTRODUCED BILL TEXT INTRODUCED BY Assembly Members Feuer, Atkins, Dickinson, Monning, and Wieckowski MARCH 13, 2012 Relative to Boy Scouts of America. LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST ACR 128, as introduced, Feuer. Boy Scouts of America. This measure would recognize, congratulate, and commend the Boy Scouts of America on its 102nd anniversary, and encourage the Boy Scouts of America to accept for membership and leadership positions qualified boys and men without discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or religious belief. Fiscal committee: no. WHEREAS, Since the founding of the Boy Scouts of America, millions of Boy Scouts have taken the experience of scouting and gone on to contribute great things to society; and WHEREAS, A Boy Scout can be followed, as he is a leader in his troop and community, regardless of the scout's race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, political affiliation, sexual orientation, or disability; and WHEREAS, The list of former Boy Scouts includes diverse role models and leaders; and WHEREAS, A Boy Scout lives honorably, not only because honor is important to him, but because of the significant example he sets for other scouts; and WHEREAS, Loyalty to his troop and brother scouts makes him "pitch-in" and carry his share of the load, recognizing the devotion to his family and the community in which he lives; and WHEREAS, A Boy Scout's courage means standing up for what he believes in without compromising his own beliefs; and WHEREAS, A Boy Scout looks forward to each day, seeking his share of the world's work to do; and WHEREAS, Honor, loyalty, and courage are hallmarks of scouts who admirably represent the community, council, and troop in their daily lives; and WHEREAS, A Boy Scout is helpful in service and will always "be prepared" to put forth his best; and WHEREAS, The character traits represented by Boy Scouts are symbols present in the Boy Scout badge, worn proudly on the uniform, by youth in this state and across the country; and WHEREAS, It is the mission of the Boy Scouts of America to serve others by helping to instill values in young people, and in other ways to prepare them to make ethical choices over their lifetime in achieving their full potential; and WHEREAS, The values that the Boy Scouts of America strives to instill are found in the Boy Scout Oath and Law; and WHEREAS, Boy Scouts are required to abide by the Scout Law and Scout Oath, which proudly uses such terms as "honor," "trustworthy," and "loyal"; and WHEREAS, Many Boy Scouts have been forced to hide their identity in contradiction to the Scout Mission, Law, and Oath, and Boy Scouts and scout leaders who were open about their sexual orientation have been expelled from scouting; and WHEREAS, The policy of the Boy Scouts of America to bar from membership or leadership positions otherwise qualified individuals solely on the basis of their sexual orientation or religious belief causes harm to the innumerable boys and men such as James Dale who, regardless of their hard work and merits, are denied the opportunity to participate in any way in the Boy Scouts of America; and WHEREAS, Many former Boy Scouts have left scouting and formed their own advocacy organization, Scouting for All, in an effort to bring the values of scouting to youth without discrimination; and WHEREAS, The discriminatory policy of the Boy Scouts of America is contrary to the policy of the State of California; and WHEREAS, Other similar organizations such as the Girl Scouts, Camp Fire USA, and the Boys and Girls Clubs of America serve as role models for the Boy Scouts of America because they do not discriminate against youth and adults; now, therefore, be it Resolved by the Assembly of the State of California, the Senate thereof concurring, That the Legislature does hereby recognize, congratulate, and commend the Boy Scouts of America on its 102nd anniversary; and be it further Resolved, That the Legislature encourages the Boy Scouts of America to accept for membership and leadership positions all qualified boys and men, without discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation or religious belief; and be it further Resolved, That the Chief Clerk of the Assembly transmit copies of this resolution to the author for appropriate distribution. (This message has been edited by RememberSchiff)

For us it has varied depending on scout interest in their destination troop program, anywhere from Jan to Feb Blue & Gold. The Jan group were eager to prepare for a spring vacation troop trek. If the troop program (spring and summer activities) is so uninteresting that scouts want to stay Webelos longer, then look at another troop. My $0.02,

My guess the Bear Titan Youth Recurve simple, fairly rugged, cheap starter bow $35-50 (usually green color limbs) wraparound arrow shelf so lefties can use the same bow too (usually shelf wears down) one bow with bow length, draw length and weight are in the right average range for age group look like Cub Scout bows to older scouts Jump up to the $80-100 range - takedown recurves - Polarisl, Mohegan, maybe PSE Junior - cooler looking - becomes an inventory issue. Need separate RH and LH bows, different limb lengths, different draw weights But as mentioned finding the deal is key. You should google "archery kits school program" as there was/is a group NASP or USArchery that gave a good deal on a kit of bows, arrows, targets... Qwazse - I like your ideas! My $0.02,

Back to the OP, imagine if Ms. Tyrell resided in West Virginia instead of nearby Ohio and was removed as den leader and booted from the BSA. Would there have been a public outcry by the citizens of WV to the Governor and State House to intervene, perhaps curb state support services for the Summit? Would any council board members resign there ( as I understand one did resign in Ohio)? Would economic forces have prevailed over any other considerations? Or something else? I wonder.

While a few adults are making excuses not to act, it was a refreshing to read of scouts jumping into action. Yes this was dangerous, but they used their heads. and likely saved lives - what scouts do. Boy Scouts help at collapsed house ... saw the building collapse on a man in a white shirt...the group started using two-by-fours and cinder blocks to pry up sections of the collapsed building and help those inside to escape. ...positioned cinder blocks so that another man could move his head. It was hard. There was a lot of frustration. It was really heavy too, said Libordi. Ive never seen a building collapse like that before. It was crazy. Mitch Cornish said the men trapped under the rubble were having a difficult time breathing. They (3 victims) were in pretty bad shape, said Cornish, assistant superintendent of Public Works in Hornell. We couldnt move them. I think their injuries were pretty bad. Property owner Harold Hill (no not the Music Man) was demolishing a section of the single-story, multi-family apartment complex with a backhoe and was on the west side of the building when it collapsed toward the east side. I saw it starting to come down, but I didnt notice the people inside until I turned around and got there. I heard Noah say there were guys inside, and I started getting my adrenaline going up, said Argentieri, 12. The scouts estimated they were at the scene 10-20 minutes before emergency personnel arrived at the scene. (No they did not just call 911 and sit safely off-scene and wait for adults to come!) http://www.eveningtribune.com/features/x272274779/Local-Boy-Scouts-help-at-collapsed-house-in-Mt-Morris My $0.02, Good job Scouts!(This message has been edited by RememberSchiff)

Rainbow, yes that makes more sense. Thanks for the correction.

I wonder what the BSA response would be if supporters of gay scouting wore pink (or other uniform color) neckers or some other symbol at the World Jambo?(This message has been edited by RememberSchiff)

Perhaps old news but good news From KVAL news ALBANY, Ore. - When Troop 99 needed a new bugler to wake Scouts with "Reveille" and end the day with "Taps," Eriq Thompson volunteered. "We needed a new bugler," he told KVAL News. "I said I can do that. I know the trumpet and know music really easily." His fellow Scout, Corey Clemetsen, caught the bugling bug, too. "I'd listen to Eric or I'd listen to who the bugler was and then I'd start printing out sheets and learning the music," he said. Now the two First Class Scouts - Thompson, 15, is also the troop's senior patrol leader; Clemetsen, 14, is the assistant senior patrol leader and trooper scribe - will represent Oregon at Arlington National Cemetary in May for a celebration of the 150th anniversary of "Taps." "It's a great honor. My grandparents know people that are buried there," Clemetsen said, "and not very many people get to play there. We're going to be, as we know of, the youngest people." "And we're not military, so that's even bigger," Thompson said, "because usually only the top high quality military people get to play there. "We're just regular Boy Scouts going there bugling, so that's going to be pretty cool." Some great photos of both scouts with bugles, trumpets, and sash with Bugling MB http://www.kval.com/news/local/Were-just-regular-Boy-Scouts-going-there-bugling-144443325.html?tab=gallery&c=y&img=9