RememberSchiff

As to what "arms" we can bear, look at Supreme Court decision District of Columbia v. Heller - "This Second Amendment rights case was brought by a group of libertarian lawyers on behalf of plaintiffs with respectable backgrounds and appealing reasons for seeking relief from the District of Columbias extremely restrictive gun control regulations. The challenged statute prohibited the possession of a handgun by almost all D.C. residents, and required that all firearms be kept in an inoperable condition. This effort to disarm the citizenry had been in place for over 30 years, and was the most restrictive gun-control law in the country. By a vote of 5-4, the Court held that both the handgun ban and the safe-storage regulation violated the Second Amendment, which protects at least the right to keep a handgun in ones own home and to make it operable for purposes of immediate self defense." The Second Amendment, Heller, and Originalist Jurisprudence Nelson Lund, George Mason Univ Justice Scalia concluded: The (D.C.) handgun ban amounts to a prohibition of an entire class of arms that is overwhelmingly chosen by American society for that lawful purpose [viz. self defense]. The (D.C.) prohibition extends, moreover, to the home, where the need for defense of self, family, and property is most acute. Under any of the standards of scrutiny that we have applied to enumerated constitutional rights, banning from the home the most preferred firearm in the nation (BD's Glock?) to keep and use for protection of ones home and family, would fail constitutional muster. . . . So from Scalia, "arms" in the second amendment means what is now in common use in America for protection. This case was about handguns, the next case may be a about semi-automatic rifles, and maybe in two hundred years there will be a case about hand phasers. My $0.02 (This message has been edited by RememberSchiff)

Boy Scout Troop 358 of Grace Baptist Church, Philadelphia return for the SECOND time to march in the Presidential Inaugural Parade this Monday January 17, 2013, Martin Luther King Day. They are the only Boy Scout troop marching in the parade, though I am sure other individual scouts are in the parade but associated with leadership, sports, and school programs. http://www.philly.com/philly/video/BC2103577881001.html

Over the years, I have often heard jokes like "...the only things scouts lie about is having girlfriends" from non-scout acquaintances. "Yeah yuck, yuck, not true!" Enter Eagle Scout, Notre Dame football player, and Heisman Trophy candidate Manti Te'O with the tragic story of the death of his non-existent girlfriend Lennay Kekua. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/17/fenno-manti-teo-girlfriend-story-a-wild-ghost-chas/ Bizarre and why? Did he want added sympathy in hopes of winning Heisman? The good news; people and the embarrassed sports media are more interested in Lying Lance who makes Bill Clinton seem like a boy scout. Another $0.01 for still being grumpy

Annual losses were about $50K, Mount Baker Council gave the Friends of Black Mountion until Dec 31 to 1. raise $60K to cover potential losses, FoBM raise $64,560 2. Get at least 300 campers over 3 weeks, FoBM only got 251 by deadline. Fewer than 20 signed for first week. http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2013/01/17/2842079/boy-scout-board-cuts-summer-camp.html Just know what I read in article, but it seemed the Council focus was just on dollars and numbers and not the underlying camp summer program. I can't understand why we don't open scout summer camps to non-member boys sponsored by a troop or another scout. 4H and Y camps both allow and even recruit non-members to fill camp slots and hopefully join later. No summer camp this year, no camp next year? My $0.01 for being grumpy

Yeah M1 Garand thumb...Beretta bite too...how embarrassing.

JoeBob, You are correct the Garand takes a 8-round clip now whether politicians make any distinction between a mag and clip is another matter. Still the Garand has a bayonet lug and the state of NY says semi-auto + bayonet lug = assault weapon. I can't see my Dad grinding if off. Good luck to the state of NY against Walt Kowolski. Here's an extract of the NY Safe Act S 37. Subdivision 22 of section 265.00 of the penal law, as added by chapter 189 of the laws of 2000, is amended to read as follows: 22. "Assault weapon" means (A) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE THAT HAS AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE AND HAS AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS: (I) A FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK; (II) A PISTOL GRIP THAT PROTRUDES CONSPICUOUSLY BENEATH THE ACTION OF THE WEAPON; (III) A THUMBHOLE STOCK; (IV) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE NON-TRIGGER HAND; (V) A BAYONET MOUNT; (VI) A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, MUZZLE COMPENSATOR, OR THREADED BARREL DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, OR MUZZLE COMPENSATOR; (VII) A GRENADE LAUNCHER;

OGE, you are probably correct with your good suggestions. I wonder if William Kunstler is still practicing

My guess 80% Loyalist, 20% Rebel.

Meanwhile New York passed the NY Safe Act 2013 which prohibits AR-15's just by virtue of it's pistol grip alone. Magazines are limited to 7 round capacity. Responsible NY gun owners legally owning firearms which are now labeled as assault weapons have one year to sell them to an out-of-state buyer. I doubt criminals took notice. My father's M-1 Garand (circa WW2/Korea) is now an assault weapon because it has a bayonet lug and takes a 8 round clip. Legally owned 10 round magazines have to be retro-fitted or sold in one year. Massachusetts is next in line with a similar measure. If it passes, I will have to sell the 10 round mags for my son's Boy Scout Ruger 10-22 rifle. Some of us shoot service rifle competitions to earn Distinguished Rifleman through the Civilian Marksmanship Program. That may be lost. Maybe the federal government is not taking our firearms but some states and localities are telling us to sell them or else.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/01/16/list-obamas-23-executive-actions-on-gun-violence/ The President is announcing that he and the Administration will: 1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system. 2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system. 3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system. 4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks. 5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun. 6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers. 7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign. 8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission). 9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations. 10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement. 11. Nominate an ATF director. 12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations. 13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime. 14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence. 15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies. 16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes. 17. Release a letter to health-care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law-enforcement authorities. 18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers. 19. Develop model emergency-response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education. 20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental-health services that Medicaid plans must cover. 21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges. 22. Commit to finalizing mental-health-parity regulations. 23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health. IMO, some of these I scratch my head and ask why is this not already being done and why aren't heads rolling for not doing their jobs: #1, #3, #4, #5, #9 (maybe start with ATF and those firearms still missing from Fast & Furious), #10, #11 (or move ATF without a director for 6 years to FBI), #12 (I thought Homeland Security was doing this?), #13 (duh), #20 Some address conflicts with existing laws and federal orders: #2, #16, #17 Already done: #6, #19 Good idea: #7 (how about a tax deduction to buy an American-made gun safe), #8 (most legal gun locks are crap), #22 ???: #14 (I would prefer the FBI over CDC) Questionable: #15 (not hard to workaround) Good luck: #21 (Obamacare) NRA suggestion: #18 Just more talk: #23 (This message has been edited by RememberSchiff)

Spun from other thread where constitutional freedoms were being discussed. Eagle732 was thinking about becoming a Citizenship in Nation MBC. Great! Imagine Baden-Powell was born two hundred years earlier and started Scouting in 1710 in England and it quickly spread to the American Colonies. Fifty some years later, are colonial scouts remaining loyal to the Crown or are they becoming patriots fighting for their freedom? $0.02 for your thoughts

Yeah, I could see taxing the newspapers to pay for thier decision to constantly use free speech (you meant press) in irresponsible ways.. Yeah bring back the Stamp Act and King George too.

Can yeh name even one example where registration has been a precursor to confiscation in the United States? Post Katrina, New Orleans "NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 8 - Waters were receding across this flood-beaten city today as police officers (and National Guard) began confiscating weapons, including legally registered firearms, from civilians in preparation for a mass forced evacuation of the residents still living here." http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/08/national/nationalspecial/08cnd-storm.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCX1OfhckC8

Imagine the Tour Permit for this! http://www.army.mil/article/94295/Boy_Scouts_visit_Soldiers_in_Kuwait/ I.O.U. $0.02

That is one sad story.

This thread has baffled me as, there are already laws in nearly all states restricting firearms in schools. States Prohibiting or Restricting (meaning you need further written authorization) Concealed Weapons Permit/License Holders from Carrying on Elementary and Secondary School Property: 41 states and D.C.. State with laws for insufficiently licensed or random carry on school grounds 48 states and D.C. http://smartgunlaws.org/guns-in-schools-policy-summary/#footnote_82_5686

Doesn't seem small - 5,000 porta-potties! News story link about porta-potties at 2008 Inauguration. As I understand, Don's Johns also supplied the A.P. Hill Jambos.

Often, but not always, that is why we have an appeal process to a higher authority in this country. We cannot wait for an election, retirement, or death in hopes that our rights will eventually be restored. That said, the appeal process needs to be quicker. Only Microsoft tops the government in dragging out the legal process. As I understand, one of more interesting outcomes of Guillory vs Orange County (Gates) decided by US District Appeals Court was that CCW applicants have the right to question the sheriff regarding permits issued to other people. So in California, you are allowed to find out why the elected official (e.g. Senator Feinstein) got a permit, so you can claim that your "Good Cause" is as good as his/hers. BTW, this appeal took over 10 years, Guillory won but, as I understand, did not get a CCW and left California. Another $0.02

Rick. Yes we are losing the principle that we are a nation of laws. The law is ignored or fabricated arbitrarily by powerful men (big guns), equal justice under the law is disappearing. ATF, the Justice Dept, and Operation Fast and Furious are but one example. I imagine if the Lone Ranger rode through your town, he would be similarly harassed by the local law. "Ke-mo sah-bee, Sheriff have sickness in head, cannot fix with medicine." But he or more likely Tonto would fix it, in short order. Standing up for our rights is fading too... My $0.02

Probably, but didn't Mike Rowe do an episode or two about port-a-potties?

"On Monday, January 21 approximately 750 Scouts from National Capital Area Council will participate in the 57th Presidential Inauguration, continuing a tradition that reaches back to President Woodrow Wilson." Scouts will serve as ADA volunteers, Inside Line Management volunteers, Magnetometer ADA volunteers,... More info here http://boyscouts-ncac.doubleknot.com/newsfeed/national-capital-area-council-scouts-participate-in-the-57th-presidential-inauguration/8808

Maybe private sales/transfers are ending, everything goes through a FFL which can cost $25-40 per transaction. So will only police and criminals be using high capacity mags marked LEO (Law Enforcement Only)? As a logistical and political matter, I wonder if the 10 round restriction will extend to police as well? Will the government buy back mags over 10 rounds or pay for rework. Good mags can be $30-50 and hard to find for some model handguns (e.g. Para). I thought the "research" was about video games and movie violence? I read the penalties for straw purchase will increase. Recall Ms DimBulb in the Westport,NY fireman shooting bought firearms for her neighbor, a convicted murderer. Under the Gun Control Act of 1968, straw purchases are currently felonies for both the straw purchaser (who can be charged with lying on Federal Form 4473) and the actual possessor, punishable by a $250,000 fine and 10 years in prison. Some states have similar laws. As I understand Ms. Dimbulb has been charged in both federal and state courts and remains free (that has to change). Due out Tuesday.

Maybe my assailant has a nickel-plated, pearl-handled Colt .45 and all I have is a Bushmaster, so what. Am I a bigot... I dunno. I suppose you could be considered a bigot if you berated your assailant by saying something non-PC like "Only a pimp in a New Orleans whorehouse or a tin-horn gambler would carry a pearl-handled pistol."

8 round clip for Garand, 5 round for 03.

Help is where you find it, I guess. Has anyone gone through this program? "Autism Empowerment (this is not a BSA leadership program) and their Autism and Scouting Leadership Training Program is one of just sixteen national non-profit recipients (and the only Northwest based honoree) of a 2012 Family Services Community Grant from Autism Speaks. The awards were announced in late December 2012 and Autism Empowerment will be receiving their grant award check in January 2013. http://www.autismspeaks.org/family-services/grants/community-grants/community-grants-2012 (see list here) Based out of Vancouver, WA and serving locally, nationally and worldwide, Autism Empowerments Autism and Scouting Leadership Training program works to train leaders about Autism, Aspergers and inclusiveness within a variety of scouting venues including but not limited to Girl Scouts, Boy Scouts, Royal Rangers, American Heritage Girls, Sea Scouts, Campfire Girls, Impact Girls and Geek Scouts. They currently educate through online and in-person training as well as through their podcasts at Autism and Scouting Radio and Autism Empowerment Radio. The grant is being used to expand the Autism and Scouting Program to provide advanced written, audio and video training to units throughout the United States. It will utilize a variety of visual and strategic tools to assist leaders in working more effectively with scouts (ages 5 - 24) with autism and their families." ... Much more info here http://autismandscouting.blogspot.com/2013/01/autism-empowerment-receives-25000-grant.html http://www.autismspeaks.org/family-services/grants/autism-empowerments-autism-and-scouting-leadership-training-program